Inconsistencies, Integrity, Misconceptions; Area's that need addressed

Wescli Wardest wrote: I would like for the name calling to stop. Remember, we debate ideas and not people.

I agree with your call to discontinue name calling, even though my point is that "control freak" is a good thing.

Tellahane wrote:

2. The Jedi Path is a personal one and different for every individual. Each one of us comes from a different background and comes here for different reasons. It is disrespectful, presumptuous, and judgmental for anyone to believe they know what is best for any other Jedi here. We are best served by worrying about ourselves and letting others do what they will, assuming it is all within the rules of this forum. That's why Apprenticeship is personally tailored to every individual.

I find this statement confusing on your end if you can clarify senan, in that the bold invalidates the whole idea of the apprentice/knight teaching relationship. Unless your specifically saying that any one person can define for everyone period?

I'm happy to clarify. The Knight/Apprenticeship relationship is a two way street in which both parties benefit and learn from each other. The Teaching Master is a guide, not someone who necessarily knows what is best for the Apprentice. If we expect Knights to always be right and follow them blindly as Apprentices, this place becomes a cult.

This whole debacle of a thread proves this point. You thought you knew what was best for the rest of us be trying to shame us into learning a lesson by pointing out our flaws. This clearly was not the best method for many of us, yet you continue to defend it by claiming we just don't understand the lesson yet. The only lesson I learned was not to trust you anymore.

As for you staying or leaving, I don't presume to know what is best for you, so I would expect you to make that decision on your own after weighing the pros and cons of each and how it would impact your path. It's none of my business. I wish you the best of luck whatever you decide, and I hope this won't be the last time we both attempt to be better Jedi through dialogue here.

I knew before I started this process exactly what the reactions would be, and what people would view me as, so as magnus points out, I was willing to accept that. The only thing I'm truly guilty of is creating an experience that everyone here will learn something from, if they choose to. There was no controlling, there was manipulation, motives were pure, and at the end of this week if even a handful of you go back to this thread with a clear mind and reflect upon the responses and then the Jedi teachings, then I feel as though I succeeded in my goal. That there is plenty for each of us to reflect and grow upon, even myself.

Some times in order to recognize problems and area's that can be improved they have to first be exposed. What is a better example of that then the replies in this thread. Just as magnus was able to recognize.

So as a reward for everyone here, I give you even more free will then you had before.

whoa wow, so the take-home here is that Tellahane has taught totjo a valuable lesson? and now wants to give us a reward for learning this lesson like the good little children we've shown ourselves to be? that our personal flaws have been exposed through our reactions to the machinations and efforts at control, and he has taught us all something valuable about ourselves, and that this was the whole point of this months long dogged insistence on validating our "jedin-ness to him and on the general censorship of topics and posts that arent "jedi-enough" to meet his standards?

really?
lol, smh

may the force be with you

What's our purpose in this thread, what's our purpose here period? Let's ask ourselves this and take a breath before shit starts to get tedious and personal, and show some tact in our replies, please. If we're in fact intelligent civilized adults, then let's start acting as such, everyone...

id say people have reacted pretty well up to this point.
the overwhelming majority of the responses in this topic have been thoughtful and honest, and sadly, it seems they were wasted. which also means that we will have to tread this same ground again before very long.
undertsanding that, accepting it, and expressing some disappointment about it doesnt mean that someone is being childish or stupid

you know what Zenchi youre right. it was just a psa to remember that we're a COMMUNITY even when we disagree, even if we're we're unhappy, and thats always a good message to keep in mind

We used to have these family gatherings where my brother would get all self righsious and angry and tell we were no good and we would all get into this huge debate and things could get really ugly , and we even tried to convince him that he was the problem , and that seemed fine and we well knew that we all were the problem , but after a while two of my uncles got into a fight and that made me really sad and i thought "is it worth it " and then one of my aunts would start yelling to everyone to calm down and sit down and have their dinner making it clear that we love eachother and we are family ..i feel like that aunt sometimes :laugh: