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I've seen this assumption in many videos and it is an extremely effective technique for making something as complex as our emotions simple to understand, in a way that appears scientifically rigorous. I'm not sure if that's what Simon really thinks or what he really means but I often find myself jumping to the very mechanistic, simple conclusion, that our feelings are caused by 5 or 6 (or 100+) chemicals, primarily in our brains.
I have little doubt that the buzzy excitement I feel before, during and after certain activities involve adrenaline, or the love I have for my children involves oxytocin but:
Can we say these emotions are caused by these chemicals?
To what extent can we change our habitual responses to external stimuli such that we can consciously intervene between the external stimuli and our emotional response - introducing a choice between the former and the latter?
This article on the causes of depression certainly questions the role of brain chemistry - and the role of chemicals in evoking our emotional states: https://chriskresser.com/the-chemical-imbalance-myth/
The Chemical Imbalance Myth
“A theory that is wrong is considered preferable to admitting our ignorance.” – Elliot Vallenstein, Ph.D.
The idea that depression and other mental health conditions are caused by an imbalance of chemicals in the brain is so deeply ingrained in our psyche that it seems almost sacrilegious to question it.
Direct-to-consumer-advertising (DCTA) campaigns, which have expanded the size of the antidepressant market (Donohue et al., 2004), revolve around the claim that SSRIs (the most popular class of antidepressants) alleviate depression by correcting a deficiency of serotonin in the brain.
For example, Pfizer’s television advertisement for Zoloft states that “depression is a serious medical condition that may be due to a chemical imbalance”, and that “Zoloft works to correct this imbalance.”
Other SSRI advertising campaigns make similar claims. The Effexor website even has a slick video explaining that “research suggests an important link between depression and an imbalance in some of the brain’s chemical messengers. Two neurotransmitters believed to be involved in depression are serotonin and norepinephrine.” The video goes on to explain that Effexor works by increasing serotonin levels in the synapse, which is “believed to relieve symptoms of depression over time.”
These days serotonin is widely promoted as the way to achieve just about every personality trait that is desirable, including self-confidence, creativity, emotional resilience, success, achievement, sociability and high energy. And the converse is also true. Low serotonin levels have been implicated in almost every undesirable mental state and behavioral pattern, such as depression, aggressiveness, suicide, stress, lack of self-confidence, failure, low impulse control, binge eating and other forms of substance abuse.
In fact, the idea that low levels of serotonin cause depression has become so widespread that it’s not uncommon to hear people speak of the need to “boost their serotonin levels” through exercise, herbal supplements or even sexual activity. The “chemical imbalance” theory is so well established that it is now part of the popular lexicon.
It is, after all, a neat theory. It takes a complex and heterogeneous condition (depression) and boils it down to a simple imbalance of two to three neurotransmitters (out of more than 100 that have been identified), which, as it happens, can be “corrected” by long-term drug treatment. This clear and easy-to-follow theory is the driving force behind the $12 billion worth of antidepressant drugs sold each year.
However, there is one (rather large) problem with this theory: there is absolutely no evidence to support it. Recent reviews of the research have demonstrated no link between depression, or any other mental disorder, and an imbalance of chemicals in the brain (Lacasse & Leo, 2005; (Valenstein, 1998).
The ineffectiveness of antidepressant drugs when compared to placebo cast even more doubt on the “chemical imbalance” theory. (See my recent articles Placebos as effective as antidepressants and A closer look at the evidence for more on this.)
Folks, at this point you might want to grab a cup of tea. It’s going to take a while to explain the history of this theory, why it is flawed, and how continues to persist in light of the complete lack of evidence to support it. I will try to be as concise as possible, but there’s a lot of material to cover and a lot of propaganda I need to disabuse you of.
Ready? Let’s start with a bit of history.
The history of the “chemical imbalance” theory
The first antidepressant, iproniazid, was discovered by accident in 1952 after it was observed that some tubercular patients became euphoric when treated with this drug. A bacteriologist named Albert Zeller found that iproniazid was effective in inhibiting the enzyme monoamine oxydase. As its name implies, monoamine oxydase plays an essential role in inactivating monoamines such as epinephrine and norepinephrine. Thus, iproniazid raised levels of epinephrine and norepinephrine which in turn led to stimulation of the sympathetic nervous system – an effect thought to be responsible for the antidepressant action of the drug.
At around the same time, an extract from the plant Rauwolfia serpentina was introduced into western psychiatry. This extract had been used medicinally in India for more than a thousand years and was thought to have a calming effect useful to quite babies, treat insomnia, high blood pressure, insanity and much more. In 1953 chemists at Ciba, a pharmaceutical company, isolated the active compound from this herb and called it reserpine.
In 1955 researchers at the National Institutes of Health reported that reserpine reduces the levels of serotonin in the brains of animals. It was later established that all three of the major biogenic amines in the brain, norepinephrine, serotonin, and dopamine, were all decreased by reserpine (again, in animals).
In animal studies conducted at around the same time, it was found that animals administered reserpine showed a short period of increased excitement and motor activity, followed by a prolonged period of inactivity. The animals often had a hunched posture and an immobility that was thought to resemble catatonia (Valenstein, 1998). Since reserpine lowered levels of serotonin, norepinephrine and dopamine, and caused the effects observed in animals, it was concluded that depression was a result of low levels of biogenic amines. Hence, the “chemical imbalance” theory is born.
However, it was later found that reserpine only rarely produces a true clinical depression. Despite high doses and many months of treatment with reserpine, only 6 percent of the patients developed symptoms even suggestive of depression. In addition, an examination of these 6 percent of patients revealed that all of them had a previous history of depression. (Mendels & Frazer, 1974) There were even reports from a few studies that reserpine could have an antidepressant effect (in spite of reducing levels of serotonin, norepinephrine and dopanmine).
As it turns out, that is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to revealing the inadequacies of the “chemical imbalance” theory.
The fatal flaws of “chemical imbalance” theory
As Elliot Valenstein Ph.D., Professor Emeritus of psychology and neuroscience at Michigan University, points out in his seminal book Blaming the Brain, “Contrary to what is often claimed, no biochemical, anatomical or functional signs have been found that reliably distinguish the brains of mental patients.” (p. 125)
In his book, Valenstein clearly and systematically dismantles the chemical imbalance theory:
Reducing levels of norepinephrine, serotonin and dopamine does not actually produce depression in humans, even though it appeared to do so in animals.
The theory cannot explain why there are drugs that alleviate depression despite the fact that they have little or no effect on either serotonin or norepinephrine.
Drugs that raise serotonin and norepinephrine levels, such as amphetamine and cocaine, do not alleviate depression.
No one has explained why it takes a relatively long time before antidepressant drugs produce any elevation of mood. Antidepressants produce their maximum elevation of serotonin and norepinephrine in only a day or two, but it often takes several weeks before any improvement in mood occurs.
Although some depressed patients have low levels of serotonin and norepinephrine, the majority do not. Estimates vary, but a reasonable average from several studies indicates that only about 25 percent of depressed patients actually have low levels of these metabolites.
Some depressed patients actually have abnormally high levels of serotonin and norepinephrine, and some patients with no history of depression at all have low levels of these amines.
Although there have been claims that depression may be caused by excessive levels of monoamine oxydase (the enzyme that breaks down serotonin and norepinephrine), this is only true in some depressed patients and not in others.
Antidepressants produce a number of different effects other than increasing norepinephrine and serotonin activity that have not been accounted for when considering their activity on depression.
Another problem is that it is not now possible to measure serotonin and norepinephrine in the brains of patients. Estimates of brain neurotransmitters can only be inferred by measuring the biogenic amine breakdown products (metabolites) in the urine and cerebrospinal fluid. The assumption underlying this measurement is that the level of biogenic amine metabolites in the urine and cerebrospinal fluid reflects the amount of neurotransmitters in the brain. However, less than one-half of the serotonin and norepinephrine metabolites in the urine or cerebrospinal fluid come from the brain. The other half come from various organs in the body. Thus, there are serious problems with what is actually being measured.
Finally, there is not a single peer-reviewed article that can be accurately cited to support claims of serotonin deficiency in any mental disorder, while there are many articles that present counterevidence. Furthermore, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) does not list serotonin as the cause of any mental disorder. The American Psychiatric Press Textbook of Clinical Psychiatry addresses serotonin deficiency as an unconfirmed hypothesis, stating “Additional experience has not confirmed the monoamine depletion hypothesis” (Lacasse & Leo, 2005).
When all of this evidence is taken in full, it should be abundantly clear that depression is not caused by a chemical imbalance.
But, as Valenstein shrewdly observes, “there are few rewards waiting for the person who claims that “the emperor is really nude” or who claims that we really do not know what causes depression or why an antidepressant sometimes helps to relieve this condition.”
How have we been fooled?
There are several reasons the idea that mental disorders are caused by a chemical imbalance has become so widespread (and none of them have anything to do with the actual scientific evidence, as we have seen).
It is known that people suffering from mental disorders and especially their families prefer a diagnosis of “physical disease” because it does not convey the stigma and blame commonly associated with “psychological problems”. A “physical disease” may suggest a more optimistic prognosis, and mental patients are often more amenable to drug treatment when they are told they have a physical disease.
Patients are highly susceptible to Direct-to-Consumer-Advertising (DCTA). It has been reported that patients are now presenting to their doctors with a self-described “chemical imbalance” (Kramer, 2002). This is important because studies show that patients who are convinced they are suffering from a neurotransmitter defect are likely to request a prescription for antidepressants, and may be skeptical of physicians who suggest other interventions such as cognitive behavioral therapy (DeRubeis et al., 2005). It has also been shown that anxious and depressed patients “are probably more susceptible to the controlling influence of advertisements (Hollon MF, 2004).
The benefit of the chemical imbalance theory for insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry is primarily economic. Medical insurers are primarily concerned with cost, and they want to discourage treatments (such as psychotherapy) that may involve many contact hours and considerable expense. Their control over payment schedules enables insurance companies to shift treatment toward drugs and away from psychotherapy.
The motivation of the pharmaceutical companies should be fairly obvious. As mentioned previously, the market for antidepressant drugs is now $12 billion. All publicly traded for-profit companies are required by law to increase the value of their investor’s stock. Perhaps it goes without saying, but it is a simple fact that pharmaceutical companies will do anything they legally (and sometimes illegally) can to maximize revenues.
Studies have shown that the advertisements placed by drug companies in professional journals or distributed directly to physicians are often exaggerated or misleading and do not accurately reflect scientific evidence (Lacasse & Leo, 2005). While physicians deny they are being influenced, it has been shown repeatedly that their prescription preferences are heavily affected by promotional material from drug companies (Moynihan, 2003). Research also suggests that doctors exposed to company reps are more likely to favor drugs over non-drug therapy, and more likely to prescribe expensive medications when equally effective but less costly ones are available (Lexchin, 1989). Some studies have even shown an association between the dose and response: in other words, the more contact between doctors and sales reps the more doctors latch on to the “commercial” messages as opposed to the “scientific” view of a product’s value (Wazana, 2000).
The motivation of psychiatrists to accept the chemical imbalance theory is somewhat more subtle. Starting around 1930, psychiatrists became increasingly aware of growing competition from nonmedical therapists such as psychologists, social workers and counselors. Because of this, psychiatrists have been attracted to physical treatments like drugs and electroshock therapy that differentiate them from nonmedical practitioners. Psychiatry may be the least respected medical specialty (U.S. General Accounting Office report). Many Americans rejected Fruedian talk therapy as quackery, and the whole field of psychiatry lacks the quality of research (randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind experiments) that serves as the gold-standard in other branches of medicine.
Dr. Colin Ross, a psychiatrist, describes it this way:
“I also saw how badly biological psychiatrists want to be regarded as doctors and accepted by the rest of the medical profession. In their desire to be accepted as real clinical scientists, these psychiatrists were building far too dogmatic an edifice… pushing their certainty far beyond what the data could support.”
Of course there are also many “benefits” to going along with the conventional “chemical imbalance” theory, such as free dinners, symphony tickets, and trips to the Caribbean; consultancy fees, honoraria and stock options from the pharmaceutical companies; and a much larger, growing private practice as the $20 billion spent by drug companies on advertising brings patients to the office. Psychiatrists are just human, like the rest of us, and not many of them can resist all of these benefits.
In sum, the idea that depression is caused by a chemical imbalance is a myth. Pharmaceutical ads for antidepressants assert that depression is a physical diseases because that serves as a natural and easy segue to promoting drug treatment. There may well be biological factors which predispose some individuals toward depression, but predisposition is not a cause. The theory that mental disorders are physical diseases ignores the relevance of psychosocial factors and implies by omission that such factors are of little importance.
Stay tuned for future articles on the psychosocial factors of depression, the loss of sadness as a normal response to life, and the branding of new psychological conditions as a means of increasing drug sales.
Recommended resources
Blaming the Brain, by Elliot Valenstein Ph.D.
Rethinking Psychiatric Drugs, by Grace Jackson M.D.
America Fooled: The truth about antidepressants, antipsychotics and how we’ve been deceived, by Timothy Scott Ph.D.
The Loss of Sadness, by Alan Horwitz and Jerome Wakefield
The Myth of the Chemical Cure, by Joanna Moncrieff
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So if there are 64 extent modes, and each one can adjust to any point between its max or min state, then it gets interesting!!
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Not that I suggest that necessarily is how emotions are generated, but rather I think its a good guide to how feelings can exist in conscious awareness - which then propogate to other organs etc. Have you seen the heat map associated to different feelings and emotions?
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So I do hold the mechanistic view, at least to the extent of feelings, not so much emotions. I just consider it to be so complicated its hard or grasp. I differentiate feelings from emotions (and from passion and conscious thought) here if your interested. As I tend to think the subconscious does a lot of subconscious thinking outside of conscious awareness, I tend to view emotions and passions as structures of subconscious reinforcement in sets of feelings being associated to planning and memories, and manifesting as more difficult to treat then say just altering feelings.
I do think the brain works heavily in a self referential structure, and so while I do think feelings emerge in our body and mind from neurochemical mixtures, I also do think that both subconscious and conscious thinking can feed into that to drive those changes as well. And also that other parts of the body can feed into it as well, muscular tension, inflammation, gut signals. Very complex!!!
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I offer if one CAN controlled their feelings are they in controlling of the " medications" our brain gets as well?
What type of love are they speaking of in ur pick Adder? Anxiety? What types or just general. The human potential is a wonderful thing. There's a man I read about who can controll his "chi" so we'll he proved it my climbing everest in hi, boxer shorts. There's pics of him on top of the everest summit. I think stuff like this is neat. Thank u for posting! I'll b watching
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Another problem is that it is not now possible to measure serotonin and norepinephrine in the brains of patients. Estimates of brain neurotransmitters can only be inferred by measuring the biogenic amine breakdown products (metabolites) in the urine and cerebrospinal fluid. The assumption underlying this measurement is that the level of biogenic amine metabolites in the urine and cerebrospinal fluid reflects the amount of neurotransmitters in the brain. However, less than one-half of the serotonin and norepinephrine metabolites in the urine or cerebrospinal fluid come from the brain. The other half come from various organs in the body. Thus, there are serious problems with what is actually being measured.
The author of the article seems to have neglected to emphasize that this works both ways. :pinch:
All the articles I have ever read on both sides of the debate, including this one, read a little to me like 'The Field'...
I don't have a strong view either way - I'm aware that, for instance, if genetic predisposition towards depression does exist, I probably have that predisposition - but I know that there's no conclusive evidence either way. Thus, it's a consideration, and at this point, I believe that's all it should be for anybody (but it absolutely should still be a consideration)...
Take anti-depressants if you feel so inclined, but take them in the awareness that no-one really knows for sure whether they work or not. If you feel worse (or no different), stop taking them. If you feel better, I see that as a good thing regardless of whether it is due to medicine or the placebo effect...
Yes, if it's just the placebo effect (remembering that as far as we know, it may not be), people would still need to address whatever is really going on, but maybe some will be in a better state of mind to do that once they have already started to see a sign that there may actually be some light at the end of the tunnel?
What we have to be careful of is accusing people of being the architects of states of mind that, to them, have arisen out of nowhere. And/or accusing them of not doing enough to try to dispel states of mind that they feel they have chucked the kitchen sink at. In these instances it can be pretty unhelpful to sound too much as though one is saying "it's entirely your fault that you are feeling this way".
Either way, one day, when sciencey people eventually get this properly figured out, one camp is going to feel pretty sheepish about having been telling people to do the exact opposite of what they need to do for so long. But we have no real idea which way that is going to go...
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When it comes to various natural neurotransmitters and hormones presumably there are genetic and environmental factors. Subconsciously or consciously we do decide how we react to our environment. It seems reasonable to me that some element of 'mind' comes first, 'controlling' the appropriate (or inappropriate) biochemical response which then loops back into affecting state of mind. The brain isn't just chemistry - it's magnetism, electricity and therefore physics too (e.g. bio-quantum processes) so it's quite possible to have different states of mind within an identical chemical backdrop. I think I'm arguing here that even within a completely materialist paradigm - it can't be simply just chemistry!
It's also becoming clear that the mind is not solely the preserve of the brain. We are embodied minds and neurotransmitters are released by all sorts of different organs across the body (see embodied cognition: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embodied_cognition for more details).
Fascinating stuff! Thank you for all your contributions so far

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Another problem is that it is not now possible to measure serotonin and norepinephrine in the brains of patients. Estimates of brain neurotransmitters can only be inferred by measuring the biogenic amine breakdown products (metabolites) in the urine and cerebrospinal fluid. The assumption underlying this measurement is that the level of biogenic amine metabolites in the urine and cerebrospinal fluid reflects the amount of neurotransmitters in the brain. However, less than one-half of the serotonin and norepinephrine metabolites in the urine or cerebrospinal fluid come from the brain. The other half come from various organs in the body. Thus, there are serious problems with what is actually being measured.
The author of the article seems to have neglected to emphasize that this works both ways. :pinch:
All the articles I have ever read on both sides of the debate, including this one, read a little to me like 'The Field'...
I don't have a strong view either way - I'm aware that, for instance, if genetic predisposition towards depression does exist, I probably have that predisposition - but I know that there's no conclusive evidence either way. Thus, it's a consideration, and at this point, I believe that's all it should be for anybody (but it absolutely should still be a consideration)...
Take anti-depressants if you feel so inclined, but take them in the awareness that no-one really knows for sure whether they work or not. If you feel worse (or no different), stop taking them. If you feel better, I see that as a good thing regardless of whether it is due to medicine or the placebo effect...
Yes, if it's just the placebo effect (remembering that as far as we know, it may not be), people would still need to address whatever is really going on, but maybe some will be in a better state of mind to do that once they have already started to see a sign that there may actually be some light at the end of the tunnel?
What we have to be careful of is accusing people of being the architects of states of mind that, to them, have arisen out of nowhere. And/or accusing them of not doing enough to try to dispel states of mind that they feel they have chucked the kitchen sink at. In these instances it can be pretty unhelpful to sound too much as though one is saying "it's entirely your fault that you are feeling this way".
Either way, one day, when sciencey people eventually get this properly figured out, one camp is going to feel pretty sheepish about having been telling people to do the exact opposite of what they need to do for so long. But we have no real idea which way that is going to go...
I'm having difficulty getting your exact intended meaning from the content of this post, just because there is so much going on. It partly seems like your suggesting that mental health issues are not biologically based but instead stem from individual character flaws and that medication doesn't have measurable effect.
I will say however, that having lived with multiple mental health diagnosis since 8 years old, that medication which correct chemical imbalance in the brain goes far beyond "placebo effect", and has a real, measurable effect on my mental state. I have tried functioning without these medications, if only for the sole reason that such a large percentage of society thinks mental health issues can be overcome by a simple change of mindset or through concentrated willpower.
Without these medications, I cannot function. I can be surrounded by food and will refuse to eat or drink anything except raw fruit and vegetables which results in immediate and dramatic weight loss at the sum of 5-7 pounds in one week. That's over a pound a day, and this self induced starvation only leads to further decline in my mental state.
I also in a period of only two days after stopping medication, begin to experience severe schizoaffective
psychosis which includes a combination of nonstop voices, hallucinations, delusions, racing thoughts, and severe paranoia. No person who is not affected by these disorders can possibly even begin to comprehend the utter hell that a psychotic episode entails, not even the romanticized version Hollywood portrays comes close to what myself and millions of other sufferers experience.
Suggesting that individuals with mental health issues stop taking prescribed and potentially life saving medical treatments is really a horrible thing to do, and that's as simple and as nice as I can put it - if that is in actuality what you are suggesting when you say
Take anti-depressants if you feel so inclined, but take them in the awareness that no-one really knows for sure whether they work or not. If you feel worse (or no different), stop taking them.
These medications have proven beneficial effects through not only scientific studies, but practical application over decades of treatment to those suffering within the mental health community. And please don't ask for some stupid web page showing bar graphs or fancy test cases, if you want those you can locate them yourself with a simple search
As far as for the last bit of that sentence,
If you feel better, I see that as a good thing regardless of whether it is due to medicine or the placebo effect...
When many people stop taking medicinal treatment for mental health problems, they cannot tell that they are getting sick because the disorder screws with their brain and impairs their ability to think logically and rationally. Someone like myself may go psychotic and think they are communicating with aliens through YouTube videos, and be able to justify the entire thing using deluded logic that makes perfect sense to them. They have no comprehension at that point just how sick and removed from reality they truly are because suggestions like the above encourage them to "find their own cure" so to speak.
So long and thanks for all the fish
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carlos.martinez3 wrote: What type of love are they speaking of in ur pick Adder? Anxiety? What types or just general.
How do I define them? Anxiety for me is when the subconscious is working on thoughts with sufficient variables (unknowns) to manifest feelings of fear, or our conscious mind has forgotten something our subconscious hasn't, or some of the health related subconscious instinctual drives are not being met and its trying to get our conscious attention. At least its a connection of some sort to the subconscious, but its probably only a one way communication in that modality. Depression on the other hand, being that vacuous sucking empty blackness, is more like a disconnection or even a draining away, from the conscious mind. Not to say one cannot be both depressed and anxious, which lends to the difficulty in treatment I'd imagine! Looking at the heatmap, love seems to be a more stable and whole body happiness - and anxiety seems to have the heart and lungs working hard as the subconscious might be saying there is some work to do but doesn't know what (else the legs and arms would be at a higher readiness)!! So yea, I think the subconscious has its own activity and it tries to communicate with the conscious mind through bodily feelings mostly (though perhaps memories also) and in the same way the heatmaps shows readiness being an indicator of that same experience our conscious awareness might experience as feelings etc.
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