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I am tired of the Muslim bashing
31 Jan 2016 03:34 #225470
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I know people here have seen this before but this is something I wish people would understand. Both online and in real life, I see the people who witness all the terrorist activities out there, they read 2 passages of the Quran and come up with the conclusion that every Muslim is the same and is not to be trusted. They say that we are at war with Islam.
Doesn't anyone find this an insanely absurd idea?
War with Islam? What sense does that make? How do you declare war on an ideology? And how can you even win it? How can you even win the War on Terror? We haven't because it's not designed to be won. You're not fighting a country or city, just terrorists. You can't define a winner, so the war goes on and on. It would be especially un-american to oppress Muslims. Why even have the first amendment then. "Oh yeah we have freedom of religion, well except this one" Then we really don't actually have freedom of religion.
And I hear the Muslim bashers who say these things and they do this whole "Oh I don't blame every Muslim" even though they act like it. And when some Muslim does something bad they would say "Well that's typical Muslim nature" even after saying they don't think every Muslim is bad.
Some Muslims have condemned and even fought against other terrorists but that doesn't seem to be enough. I have had Muslim friends and not once did they ever force convert me. And then the basher say "They all read the Quran so they all are the same". What sense does that make? That's like saying all Christians are the same because they read the bible. There's multiple branches within Islam and some interpret the Quran a different way and some read additional texts as well. And then they say that the Quran speaks of destroying all non- Muslims even though there are also verses that specifically say to not force convert anyone, to live peacefully with disbelievers and help the innocent as well. And the Bible and some other texts say messed up stuff, too.
I'm not going to say some Muslims haven't done terrible stuff but almost every religious group has extremists. I know there's good Muslims as well as bad. If you added up all the Islamic terrorists in the world, they'd make up less than 1% of all Muslims. There's over a billion Muslims and hundreds of millions of them don't go around force converting everyone they see.
Islam is not the real enemy and those bashers don't even realize they are being manipulated into thinking that. The real enemy is the ones who orchestrated this in the first place. That's why they say "follow the money". Lot of the most powerful ones and richest ones have manipulated such events and some of them are people we probably never even heard of. I believe these conflicts are created through a divide and conquer move which more often than not is the best way to rule over people so they weaken each other and are too distracted to realize who the real enemy is. It's not a kooky conspiracy theory or impossible, this move has been done before dozens of times.
Doesn't anyone find this an insanely absurd idea?
War with Islam? What sense does that make? How do you declare war on an ideology? And how can you even win it? How can you even win the War on Terror? We haven't because it's not designed to be won. You're not fighting a country or city, just terrorists. You can't define a winner, so the war goes on and on. It would be especially un-american to oppress Muslims. Why even have the first amendment then. "Oh yeah we have freedom of religion, well except this one" Then we really don't actually have freedom of religion.
And I hear the Muslim bashers who say these things and they do this whole "Oh I don't blame every Muslim" even though they act like it. And when some Muslim does something bad they would say "Well that's typical Muslim nature" even after saying they don't think every Muslim is bad.
Some Muslims have condemned and even fought against other terrorists but that doesn't seem to be enough. I have had Muslim friends and not once did they ever force convert me. And then the basher say "They all read the Quran so they all are the same". What sense does that make? That's like saying all Christians are the same because they read the bible. There's multiple branches within Islam and some interpret the Quran a different way and some read additional texts as well. And then they say that the Quran speaks of destroying all non- Muslims even though there are also verses that specifically say to not force convert anyone, to live peacefully with disbelievers and help the innocent as well. And the Bible and some other texts say messed up stuff, too.
I'm not going to say some Muslims haven't done terrible stuff but almost every religious group has extremists. I know there's good Muslims as well as bad. If you added up all the Islamic terrorists in the world, they'd make up less than 1% of all Muslims. There's over a billion Muslims and hundreds of millions of them don't go around force converting everyone they see.
Islam is not the real enemy and those bashers don't even realize they are being manipulated into thinking that. The real enemy is the ones who orchestrated this in the first place. That's why they say "follow the money". Lot of the most powerful ones and richest ones have manipulated such events and some of them are people we probably never even heard of. I believe these conflicts are created through a divide and conquer move which more often than not is the best way to rule over people so they weaken each other and are too distracted to realize who the real enemy is. It's not a kooky conspiracy theory or impossible, this move has been done before dozens of times.
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31 Jan 2016 03:58 #225475
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I deeply empathize with this sentiment, but in some ways I pity people who hate/mistrust Muslims as they do. To me it is as though they are sick and they do not see it. The sickness provides them with a convenient and falsely comforting answer to a deeper hurt.
I believe it is rooted in fear. I believe humans have an instinct for fear to protect us from harm. We don't want to be hurt if it can avoided. Unfortunately, we have allowed our instinctual tendencies to govern the rest of our being. We are afraid of harm because we have been hurt. In those moments of great pain and suffering, we sought answers and we didn't care if they were oversimplified or perhaps even flat out lies; we needed to know what caused us pain and we needed that answer right away. Now we live in fear of this pain and pain like it that continues across the globe. It can blind us to realities that are finely intricate and obscured by wrong answers which offer quick and easy comfort rather than the truth.
I believe it is rooted in fear. I believe humans have an instinct for fear to protect us from harm. We don't want to be hurt if it can avoided. Unfortunately, we have allowed our instinctual tendencies to govern the rest of our being. We are afraid of harm because we have been hurt. In those moments of great pain and suffering, we sought answers and we didn't care if they were oversimplified or perhaps even flat out lies; we needed to know what caused us pain and we needed that answer right away. Now we live in fear of this pain and pain like it that continues across the globe. It can blind us to realities that are finely intricate and obscured by wrong answers which offer quick and easy comfort rather than the truth.
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31 Jan 2016 04:20 #225477
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I think fear does play a part in it as well as ignorance. Many of the bashers have never even met a Muslims before. The media has a lot to do with it and they keep seeing the Muslim terrorists do those things over and over and over time they begin to develop mistrust. I think this is being done on purpose to develop mistrust among Muslims and non-Muslims. Many bashers are ignorant of the actual beliefs and customs and not all are the same. Muslims in Saudi Arabia are not the same as the ones in Malaysia or Niger. Lots of the Muslims want what you want. Which is peace with their friends, families and loved ones.
But with only seeing a few passages of the Quran, not researching the history behind it and seeing the media, which is bias anyway, they develop mistrust.
But with only seeing a few passages of the Quran, not researching the history behind it and seeing the media, which is bias anyway, they develop mistrust.
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31 Jan 2016 04:52 - 31 Jan 2016 04:53 #225478
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I read somewhere that muslim's are the biggest victims of islamic terrorism. At the root of most of it seems to be the Sunni Shia divide and the ongoing civil war within the extreme elements of Islam, which has been ongoing since the prophet died, IMO. The one thing those extreme elements seem to agree on is how to treat non-believers, which does not bode well for the ongoing process of globalization.
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31 Jan 2016 08:49 #225489
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I uphold every right to have an opinion about a religion whitout bashing the people who believe in it, the pityfull way some people react when they recieve critisism on their religion makes me question their mental abitlities though. Therefor i think it is ok if people dont like the Islam, you dont have to like the Islam, you dont have to like any religion. You have every right to say that Islam is dangerous ,you are not a racist if you say that because Islam is not a race. It is however very unloving to bash Muslims , it is their own choice to believe , like it is peoples choice not to.
To not trust Muslim because they are muslim is stupid , to point out to muslims that most muslims are killed by other muslims is a better reaction than saying that they came here to kill us all. Loll they have lived in the Netherlands for so long they had a lot of chances to do us in. I respect all people enough to respect their believe , i am not here to insult them am i
To not trust Muslim because they are muslim is stupid , to point out to muslims that most muslims are killed by other muslims is a better reaction than saying that they came here to kill us all. Loll they have lived in the Netherlands for so long they had a lot of chances to do us in. I respect all people enough to respect their believe , i am not here to insult them am i

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31 Jan 2016 10:47 #225495
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I would like to point out to two different points. Faith and ideology. Some people practice both. Some people do not. I know Muslim people who are really gentle, but to say that some other people (small group of ideologists) do not make it so very nice to the others of their faith. Can be a shocking thing to realize. People who are refugee, and have misbehavior must go back to their own country. People who are nice can stay. It does feel wrong to say one group of people, who can be split in two different parts, is the problem. Where does this world go with her problems?
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31 Jan 2016 14:06 #225508
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Pride & Prejudice and all that jazz
But can you see how it would become the problem it is? San Bernardino- the very people they sought to kill were their friends. How do you come to trust people of a certain system when you witness something that horrific? That's possibly the most brilliant of terrorists plots: Get everyone to turn against the Muslims, and then they can sweep in and pick up the pieces. It's a sickly perfect strategy.
The problem, religocide (yes, I'm aware that's not a word
) will never work. I mean think about it, the Abrahamic God PROVED that: Noah. The world could literally end up being all Muslim, and then it would turn away from such, because man has free will, and no matter what people will stray from the original belief system. We even have atheism which sprang up out of no where when everyone was religious. If you ended up killing them, they just produce a better (insert the religion that they fall into)- they will say one thing in their heads, write it all off as being something to survive on and then in their hearts practice differently. They might even do so privately where no one can see them (plenty of ways to do that).
Plenty of people do not Muslim bash, and there are plenty of people which do. The problem? The ones that aren't bashing Muslims, are bashing the ones that are. That isn't to say that they shouldn't stand up for Muslims, they should. But they are going to need another tactic. Something so irrational that people see true support- something like this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/22/muslims-protected-christians-from-extremists-in-kenya-bus-attack-reports-say/
But can you see how it would become the problem it is? San Bernardino- the very people they sought to kill were their friends. How do you come to trust people of a certain system when you witness something that horrific? That's possibly the most brilliant of terrorists plots: Get everyone to turn against the Muslims, and then they can sweep in and pick up the pieces. It's a sickly perfect strategy.

The problem, religocide (yes, I'm aware that's not a word

Plenty of people do not Muslim bash, and there are plenty of people which do. The problem? The ones that aren't bashing Muslims, are bashing the ones that are. That isn't to say that they shouldn't stand up for Muslims, they should. But they are going to need another tactic. Something so irrational that people see true support- something like this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/22/muslims-protected-christians-from-extremists-in-kenya-bus-attack-reports-say/
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31 Jan 2016 14:56 #225512
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We are light , any one any where we are we can be if we so choose . Some days the light shines brightest when the darkness sorounds. I find the moments of bashing or rudeness is the moment for light and wisdoms rather than any attachment I can think of . Though they hurt those meets can be used to build but once again it is up to us to find and make those choices . May the force be with you friend and my hope is you find light or be the light when those around you are not. You are not alone friend , take heart and know that this struggle is one we all face with many difrent masks. You can be the light anywhere if you so choose. May the Force be with you on your journey. Pm if you feel the need friend
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31 Jan 2016 17:18 #225527
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War is not a path, never will. Every question has two sides, when one side wants violence the other has to protect, which means using all the tools, the last, violence. The war is generally not against a person or country but against an idea, sustained by people; this war is not against Muslims or against a country but against an idea, against religious extremisas who kill in the name of a god ... that is independent of nationality, as an idea covers any person in any country. I have some friends in the region where the conflict is most dangerous. I hope that peace will be achieved soon.
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31 Jan 2016 17:31 #225528
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I think that sometimes there is a tendency to draw a line, between "our world" and "the others". Muslim nations have been at war with one another for centuries, but it's only now that we feel we've been brought into the fight that we start to make a fuss about it.
It's like in the case of the Paris attacks, people we're stunned because it happened in "our world". But had it happened in some near eastern country or in Africa, the response would have been very different.
The real problem with Muslim nations (not Muslim people, mind you), is that they are stuck in another time, a time where sacred texts were always literal. If western countries were to do the same with the Bible, we would be incredibly barbaric as well.
The problem is not Islam itself, the problem is fundamentalism.
It's like in the case of the Paris attacks, people we're stunned because it happened in "our world". But had it happened in some near eastern country or in Africa, the response would have been very different.
The real problem with Muslim nations (not Muslim people, mind you), is that they are stuck in another time, a time where sacred texts were always literal. If western countries were to do the same with the Bible, we would be incredibly barbaric as well.
The problem is not Islam itself, the problem is fundamentalism.
The pessimist complains about the wind;
The optimist expects it to change;
The realist adjusts the sails.
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