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09 Jan 2016 16:22 - 09 Jan 2016 16:29 #220396 by Cyan Sarden
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Kitsu Tails wrote:
That is "simply" not true. Research Mass Stabbings. It happens more than you think and sometimes exceeds more deaths than mass shootings.


I did - and I agree, it happens more often than I thought, but in comparison to mass shootings, both the number of fatalities and the occurrence of the crime are not even remotely in the same ballpark.

There seems to be a 'stabbing culture' in China, though.

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09 Jan 2016 16:58 #220410 by
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Cyan Sarden wrote:

Kitsu Tails wrote:
That is "simply" not true. Research Mass Stabbings. It happens more than you think and sometimes exceeds more deaths than mass shootings.


I did - and I agree, it happens more often than I thought, but in comparison to mass shootings, both the number of fatalities and the occurrence of the crime are not even remotely in the same ballpark.

There seems to be a 'stabbing culture' in China, though.


That is because Guns are the popular thing right now. Take away the guns and watch the stabbings go up. Sad but really true.

Thinking from a logical stand point, go to a mall, or school or even your own workplace and just take a moment to imagine yourself with a knife and the intent to kill. Walk about and just see - How many could you get away with before that place stops you?

Its a scary and gruesome thought practice but...a sobering/humbling one.

Gun is just a fancy name of a tool in a tool box.

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09 Jan 2016 17:04 - 09 Jan 2016 17:06 #220412 by Cyan Sarden

Kitsu Tails wrote:

Cyan Sarden wrote:

Kitsu Tails wrote:
That is "simply" not true. Research Mass Stabbings. It happens more than you think and sometimes exceeds more deaths than mass shootings.


I did - and I agree, it happens more often than I thought, but in comparison to mass shootings, both the number of fatalities and the occurrence of the crime are not even remotely in the same ballpark.

There seems to be a 'stabbing culture' in China, though.


That is because Guns are the popular thing right now. Take away the guns and watch the stabbings go up. Sad but really true.

Thinking from a logical stand point, go to a mall, or school or even your own workplace and just take a moment to imagine yourself with a knife and the intent to kill. Walk about and just see - How many could you get away with before that place stops you?

Its a scary and gruesome thought practice but...a sobering/humbling one.

Gun is just a fancy name of a tool in a tool box.



I can't speak for the US, but here that hasn't happened. They introduced very strict gun control laws here some 6 years ago when Switzerland joined Schengen and the only thing that happened was that the number of suicides was reduced by some 20%.

Don't get me wrong: I'm a gun owner myself and a sports shooter, I don't have anything against responsible gun ownership. But strict access control isn't a bad thing and I highly doubt there'll be any negative consequences if that is enacted.

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09 Jan 2016 17:34 #220414 by
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Gun control wont solve anything. If we take away the guns from law abiding citizens then only the criminals will have them. I have no problem with background checks but I do have a huge problem with mandatory registration. If the govt knows where all the guns are that is dangerous. Its none of their business really. I can tell you that if the government comes and try's to take my guns they will have a fight on their hands! lol.

Seriously though I think we need to stop focusing on gun control and instead focus on gun education. People that own guns need to know how to use them... and when/when not to use them. A gun class should be a mandatory part of our children's education just like sex ed is. Teach them the history behind the 2nd amendment and why its important as well.

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09 Jan 2016 18:36 #220426 by
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I agree with a lot said here, a gun is an inanimate object and has no inherently good or bad nature. It is the wielder that creates good or bad acts through their actions and nature with the object. Cars kill more people than any other tool in the world and yet we do not enact stricter regulations on who is considered fit or not fit to drive as the death toll climbs. More education and a form of training should be brought in to create better understanding, not succumbing to fear. Letting fear lead never brings about a lasting and positive result.

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09 Jan 2016 19:26 #220437 by
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I feel they should stay legal background checks a must bt be a little more strict on who can carry I don't feel ppl need 2 carry one bt I also feel it is a freedome 2 do so. If it's not legal ppl will find a way 4 violence without anyways.

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09 Jan 2016 21:51 #220463 by Locksley
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People who've known me for a while know my stance: guns are not cool.
I was totally going to post more, and then I realized it'd be pointless to do right now. :P

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09 Jan 2016 22:36 #220469 by Kohadre
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Locksley wrote: People who've known me for a while know my stance: guns are not cool.
I was totally going to post more, and then I realized it'd be pointless to do right now. :P

Guns are most definetly cool. There isn't anything more enjoyable for me to do than spend an afternoon plinking targets.

Murders are not cool though, and those committing them can do so with any instrument, gun or otherwise. Even a pillow can be used to snuff out someones life.



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09 Jan 2016 23:16 #220472 by
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Protecting yourself and others should not be illegal.

People have every right to protect themselves. Lots of robberies in grocery stores and homes were thwarted because the owner had a gun and like many criminals they run away. Because the criminals prey on the weak and helpless because it's easier and they don't expect someone to shoot back. I do however think people should be trained to use a gun before buying so they actually know how to use it and won't hurt innocents or themselves. Just a couple weeks of training really. The thing is every second counts. The police can't teleport. It takes time for them to get there. If a criminal sees two people and one owner has a gun and the other owner doesn't, who do you think he's going to rob?

There is also the fact that many corrupt called for banning weapons and almost all the time, the reason was to control the population. Pretty easy to overpower an unarmed population. It has happened a lot in history. Criminals get their guns anyway through illegal means like the black market. And banning guns will not make you safer. Corrupt governments use that lie all the time. I don't know how a gun control supporter would feel safer knowing they have no way to defend themselves against criminals and corrupt governments. Because I sure don't feel safer being unarmed. If you have all guns banned, I can promise you that you will regret it.

And if for whatever reason, people want to carry swords, nunchakus, and other melee weapons as well ,let them. They should be trained to use it responsibly but if they want to carry guns, swords and so forth, they should. There's a reason why they say "An armed society is a polite society"

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10 Jan 2016 00:39 #220483 by
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I am for gun rights. I am also for background checks. I know that will cause a "list" of gun registries (and we know the government will keep these even they say they won't) but I believe I have the right to protect myself at all times from those who wish to do me harm...whether it be the guy who broke into my house or my government.

As far as carrying is concerned: I believe everyone has the right to carry their gun. Whether it be open carry or concealed, I don't care. However, I would NEVER open carry. Think about it. You're walking around in a store or at a popular tourist spot or in a restaurant. A guy comes in with the intent to kill everyone in the room. As he looks around the room before he begins his shooting spree, he sees me with my gun displayed at my side. Who is going to be his first victim? The weak old lady standing right in front of him? The big tough guy a few feet away from him? No. I will be his first victim, as he can clearly see that I am a threat to his plans. I will be the first person he takes out. So although I believe in open carry, I think it's stupid to do so. I will NEVER open carry. It is now legal here in Texas but you will never see me walking around going "hey everybody, look at my gun." Just not gonna happen. That sucker is staying in it's holster tucked neatly away out of site.

I believe every gun owner should be required to take a gun class before being approved, and show the shop their certificate. I don't want Johnny Patsronni whipping out his gun if he hasn't been trained how to use it properly. And "the value of life" should be taught in this class. As we can see from the stupid black lives matter movement, people aren't being taught the value of all life...some aren't being taught the value of life at all. Maybe, just maybe, this lesson in that class can change a person's mind.

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