What happens after death if you believe in Jediism?

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04 Jan 2016 17:48 #218840 by
Well, you die and the essence/energy/matter that is your body returns to the force/nature/tao. From there, anything can happen. Pieces of you can end being part of a tree, a bird, a rock, or even another person (or a myriad other persons). Anyway, nothing is lost, and you will be reborn, one way or another.

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04 Jan 2016 18:10 #218845 by
This article is a popular one online as well. While I don't entirely agree with all of it, it is another perspective similar to what you just expressed.

Why a Physicist Should Speak At Your Funeral

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04 Jan 2016 20:32 #218894 by OB1Shinobi
i feel that the assumption of immortality is generally a detriment

immortal people dont have to make any changes, and have all the time in the world to dick around

i dont see any reason to believe there is continued personal existence after death, though i do enjoy the idea

maybe there is - i cant prove otherwise, but imo the focus should be on making the most of THIS life, because this is most ikely all that there is for us, and every single day is important

People are complicated.
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04 Jan 2016 22:29 #218948 by
Not Dead Yet

The Emperor asked Master Gudo, "What happens to a man of enlightenment after death?"
"How should I know?" replied Gudo.
"Because you are a master," answered the Emperor.
"Yes sir," said Gudo, "but not a dead one."

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04 Jan 2016 22:51 #218953 by
IMO, the question of what happens after death can not be thoroughly answered: whatever biometric info we have now is not enough. And this is good.

Fear of death is an ultimate criteria to seek doubts and flaws in one's life. When one is not afraid of death, he might know something very valuable which replaced this fear. Zen has good stories on this - koan .

People tend to compare themselves to computers in recent time. From a programmer's point of view, your body is hardware, your mind is software and your spirit is the electricity. Electricity is the energy of atomic interactions, which can transform. Yet, energy does not seize to exist - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy.

Also, there is Maxwell's demon thought experiment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_demon) saying about constant escalation of entropy, the degree of chaos, in the world. Mainly, that everything does disintegrate, decay, cool down, dissolve. Pessimistic thing j-D My hypothesis is that 2nd law of thermodynamics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics) does not apply to spiritual life. Somehow spiritually developed people create big bangs inside themselves when everything comes to dead stagnation.

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04 Jan 2016 23:52 #218970 by Gisteron

den385 wrote: People tend to compare themselves to computers in recent time. From a programmer's point of view, your body is hardware, your mind is software and your spirit is the electricity.

So the spirit is oxygen, water and food?

Electricity is the energy of atomic interactions, which can transform.

No, it is not. Look it up. I suggest the place you link to in the rest of your post, it seems to get electricity pretty right.

Yet, energy does not seize to exist.

Depends what you mean by exist.

Also, there is Maxwell's demon thought experiment saying about constant escalation of entropy, the degree of chaos, in the world. Mainly, that everything does disintegrate, decay, cool down, dissolve.

Maxwell's demon is a thought experiment illustrating how the entropy law could be violated, not how it works. However, entropy is not strictly a measure of any degree of chaos, and something as unspecific as "the world" would surely also be no part of its definition. The second law of thermodynamics does also not state that everything disintegrates or decays or cools down or dissolves. Two out of these I'm not even sure have a formal quantifiable expression in the first place.

My hypothesis is that 2nd law of thermodynamics does not apply to spiritual life. Somehow spiritually developed people create big bangs inside themselves when everything comes to dead stagnation.

This is not a hypothesis. Hypotheses are at least in principle testable.

Better to leave questions unanswered than answers unquestioned
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05 Jan 2016 00:34 - 05 Jan 2016 01:21 #219000 by
Thank you, Gisteron, for your criticism. I really am uneducated in physics. My dad has a degree in theoretical physics, our project's software architect is a physicist by education - and I went with maths and self-learned programming. Unfortunately, I have to postpone my self-education in physics for now.

So the spirit is oxygen, water and food?


Human being as a computer was a metaphor and each metaphor has it's limits. I should have stated that it's a metaphor, to not confuse people, of course. Yet, from my experience of managing complexity in software development, the optimal level of structuring (this case - strict terminology) is the middle between rigidness and amorphousness, which is discovered empirically in each case via accumulated community and/or personal heuristics.

While I am totally dumb in physics, I trust that you are not. And, at the same time, you are at totjo where we talk metaphysics. I will be glad if you outline your perspective on the concept of the Force. No irony or sarcasm here, I am really interested - at least I won't have to gather what little remained in my memory on physics from school and talks with dad and colleagues next time I encounter this topic.

I plan to read Einstein's "The world as I see it" and this talk gave me an idea that I can approach my dad and our architect with a question on scientific view on existence of the Force. Hmm. I hope that will not look *too* strange j-D
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05 Jan 2016 01:48 #219030 by
We are much more than a sum of what we consume.

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05 Jan 2016 02:33 #219051 by
Really, I embrace scientific explanation and all. But I believe that it will never prove anything crucial in spiritual matters. That is my personal definition of spiritual matters. Either you have an experience or you do not. What we should do is to discover spirituality that does not contradict with knowledge and stand in the way of science.

Whatever psychology, physics, biology can tell us about human and the universe will immediately become profane and will be consumed by materialistic view. However, this same materialists I see all too often without inspiration, health, happiness, nobility or any vital sense in their life. And this same materialists have no sound explanation of human will to live, which overcomes any predefined set of limitations. This physicists I know long for some meaning that was eradicated from their mind when they *believed* that they know everything.

But - "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

Physics is good. Knowledge is good. But when I meet a wall that limits my free will on the Path, I shall work to conquer it. Ultimately, I defy the concept of absolute knowledge.

We are not this crude matter.

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05 Jan 2016 02:36 #219052 by
What happens after death? I have no idea, not the vauges of clues. Except that it will be another part of my journey eventually. I'll find out when I get there :)

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