Viewpoints about marijuana

  • Visitor
  • Visitor
01 Jan 2016 07:33 - 01 Jan 2016 07:33 #217901 by

OB1Shinobi wrote: so this isnt really true then?


I definitely demonstrated interest when the embedded summary of links was asked, is there apprehension in letting people decide for themselves whether there are truly good purposes?

Counting on there really being a purpose for good, and your ability to reason here ☺

Sent from my ASUS_Z00AD using Tapatalk
Last edit: 01 Jan 2016 07:33 by .

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • Visitor
  • Visitor
01 Jan 2016 14:59 #217921 by
Replied by on topic Viewpoints about marijuana
As a Tea Party leaning American, I believe that you should be able to do whatever you damn well please as long as you don't infringe on anyone else's right to do the same. As a resident where it is legal (and yes I voted for it), I find that now that people can smoke it legally, they want to push for being able to do so in public. I am not a user, and find the smell gives me a migraine, but I end up being the bad guy when I tell people to put it away or take it to a private setting.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • Visitor
  • Visitor
01 Jan 2016 18:27 #217973 by
Replied by on topic Re:RE: Viewpoints about marijuana

Entropist wrote:

Adder wrote: Yea 'good' is really open to interpretation. Do you mean 'healthy'?

I've found psychotropics with deliriant or hallucinatory effects can change ones capacity to perceive things... since its altered perception, and often it makes folks realize perception is actually awareness - so altering perception is probably not something to abuse. So whether that is good or not is still open to interpretation
:S


Avoiding dependency on substance usage is a great purpose for ‘good’ would you agree?

Sent from my ASUS_Z00AD using Tapatalk


Several studies have shown cannabis dependence, as well as its withdrawal symptoms, is nowhere near as severe as several other drugs, including legal ones, like alcohol and tobacco. Here's just one of them, bit you can google more.

http://www.drugscience.org/dl/dl_comparison.html

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • Visitor
  • Visitor
01 Jan 2016 18:44 #217978 by
Replied by on topic Viewpoints about marijuana
@ Br. John

“Jedi are aware of the future impacts of action and inaction and of the influence of the past, but live in and focus on the Now.” While your article has a lot of merit it is an article written over forty years ago and Carl Sagan undoubtedly had a positive experience. The marijuana Sagan speaks of most likely had around 6% THC. Sage writes, “I think the ratio, R, of the time to sense the dose taken to the time required to take an excessive dose is an important quantity. R is very large for LSD (which I’ve never taken) and reasonably short for cannabis. Small values of R should be one measure of the safety of psychedelic drugs. When cannabis is legalized, I hope to see this ratio as one of [the] parameters printed on the pack.” Reading this I see Sagan foresaw an issue with overuse. I think to say, “That anyone could possibly be persecuted by a government (or anyone else) because they grew, possessed or used a plant is a crime against humanity and fundamental human rights.”, doesn’t speak to the greater need of regulation. There-in lies the problem with marijuana, how do you regulate it so that it is safe? Colorado has no regulation at all when it comes to THC content. One of laws Colorado does have is that it is illegal to consume THC in public but as Rick D points out that law is not being followed and law enforcement I have spoken to find it very cumbersome to enforce. A picture taken on April 20, unsure of the year but believe it was the year it became legal for recreational use, shows a very large crowd publicly smoking marijuana. Is it a fundamental human right to do whatever you please if when it affects others? If this movement truly wants to be taken seriously then the laws they helped create should be followed, not take a mile when they are given an inch.

I think that just because it’s a plant does not take it out of the reach of the government whose role is supposed to look to the greater good of all, even though it hardly does that anymore. Without laws there is chaos. I do see a shift happening in this country regarding the government but we do need to be careful not to swing too far one way or another. But I digress, that discussion is for another time. Tobacco, opium poppy, and the coca plant are obviously plants. All three plants used to be used properly by native tribes. It is our current times where they are used improperly by too many and is a clear detriment to our society, heroin. Even the Dutch who have allowed marijuana use for a long time see the dangers of high potency THC.

http://www.newsweek.com/marijuana-and-old-amsterdam-308218

As Jedi we need to contribute to a discussion that speaks to a safe means of allowing personal choice to a degree. When an idea is too rigid, it will break under weight. When an ideal is too flexible, it will not be able to hold any weight.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • Visitor
  • Visitor
01 Jan 2016 21:14 #218014 by

Almeida wrote:
Several studies have shown cannabis dependence, as well as its withdrawal symptoms, is nowhere near as severe as several other drugs, including legal ones, like alcohol and tobacco. Here's just one of them, bit you can google more.

http://www.drugscience.org/dl/dl_comparison.html



Yes, the common argument, but do many wrongs make a right?

Sent from my ASUS_Z00AD using Tapatalk

Please Log in to join the conversation.

  • Br. John
  • Offline
  • Master
  • Master
  • Council Member
  • Council Member
  • Senior Ordained Clergy Person
  • Senior Ordained Clergy Person
  • Founder of The Order
More
02 Jan 2016 00:57 #218066 by Br. John
Replied by Br. John on topic Viewpoints about marijuana
There is nothing wrong with using Cannabis including just to feel good. As with many things there is a proper and healthy way to use it and there is a way to abuse it to detrimental effects. I would be delighted to see it legally sold and labeled like many other foods and substances. But this should not prevent anyone from growing their own and using their own any more than tomatoes or okra.

I agree that, in general, today's Cannibis is much stronger in THC than it was forty years ago. Great. You don't need to smoke as much. After all it would be silly to serve someone a small jigger of beer or a large glass of 100 proof Vodka. Since there's times when the strength and particular effects are unknown the best thing is to try a small bit (of an unknown batch) then wait a while to see what happens. Maybe all you need is a puff. Maybe not. What we need is a good easy to use home test kit so people don't have to wonder and guess. I'm all for that.

There is certainly someone somewhere out there that cannot handle the substance. In that case it is wrong for them to use it or try too. Just like people who can drop dead from seeing a peanut should not dabble in peanut butter.

Founder of The Order

Please Log in to join the conversation.

More
02 Jan 2016 09:04 - 02 Jan 2016 09:10 #218136 by Adder

Entropist wrote:

Adder wrote: Yea 'good' is really open to interpretation. Do you mean 'healthy'?

I've found psychotropics with deliriant or hallucinatory effects can change ones capacity to perceive things... since its altered perception, and often it makes folks realize perception is actually awareness - so altering perception is probably not something to abuse. So whether that is good or not is still open to interpretation
:S


Avoiding dependency on substance usage is a great purpose for ‘good’ would you agree?

Sent from my ASUS_Z00AD using Tapatalk


It's an interesting topic!!! I somehow avoided dependency, or at least it being a problem. So while the effect on biological systems might have that capability - I think its potential to control someone varies, and since we're talking about altering perception - the psychology aspect of usage might come into play as well as to the lifestyle impact of use or abuse. But to answer your question in one word, yes, avoiding dependency is 'good'.

Introverted extropian, mechatronic neurothealogizing, technogaian buddhist.
Likes integration, visualization, elucidation and transformation.
Jou ~ Deg ~ Vlo ~ Sem ~ Mod ~ Med ~ Dis
TM: Grand Master Mark Anjuu
Last edit: 02 Jan 2016 09:10 by Adder.

Please Log in to join the conversation.

Moderators: ZeroMorkanoRiniTaviKhwang