Viewpoints about marijuana

OB1Shinobi wrote:
if i took the time to explain the reasons that i know of, and i have a lot of personal experience as well as research of academic and legal articles, would you just argue and try to tell me they arent the "real" reasons or that they "good" reasons?
or would you be like "oh, those are some of the reasons. now i know, cool, thanks" ??

My interests are on the case matter rather than ego centric motivations, or defending a case matter with emotional shields. It's better to embed a link in keywords summarising why the reason for cannabis use is good and avoids psychological dependency, reduces risk and harm to others.

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Yea 'good' is really open to interpretation. Do you mean 'healthy'?

I've found psychotropics with deliriant or hallucinatory effects can change ones capacity to perceive things... since its altered perception, and often it makes folks realize perception is actually awareness - so altering perception is probably not something to abuse. So whether that is good or not is still open to interpretation
:S

Cannabis is good for those who won't get addicted (they're the majority).

@Anubis

Thanks firstly for taking the time to reply to me,

You wrote "I found the article you referenced also a little misleading. The author uses words like "which could indicate" "That could reflect" throughout the article which is basically saying I have no proof I just don't agree."

I think the words "which could indicate" and "That could reflect" are good uses of phrases that allow an open debate and more than one point of view rather than "I have no proof I just don't agree".

Here's one of those phrases ("THAT COULD") with it's previous sentence (for perspective)

"Another factor to consider: The number of cannabinoid screens performed for law enforcement agencies in Colorado nearly tripled between 2009, when the medical marijuana industry started to take off, and 2014, the first year of legal recreational sales. THAT COULD reflect increased enforcement, increased stoned driving, or a combination of both."

While it seems logical to me what he's suggested I do wish he could back it up with some references to other tests/studies/articles. I don't think it's him simply not agreeing but attempting to be logical. The author does have an agenda probably- Jacob Sullum. But he is pretty convincing to me.

My point here I guess is that I think the words 'That could' are meant to be open. I worry I haven't given you much reasoning here but more my own opinion. Perhaps opinions are all we can go on sometimes!

It is interesting to me that you've stopped people driving with marijuana- can I ask whether they were tested for alcohol and any other drugs as well? I assume that they were tested for the other drugs but I am interested to know what percentage of these drivers where it was purely marijuana. I'd like to point out that I don't agree with them driving high as it's much the same as driving drunk in my mind but nevertheless it's be interesting to know from your perspective.

As to your point about deaths on the road involving the use of marijuana (and their comparison with alcohol) you wrote, "So their deaths have no meaning or cause to be concerned? Are we to look only at the greater of the two evils?"

Of course I think we can agree that it'd be nicer to avoid 'meaningless' deaths on the road due to intoxication of whatever substance (although perhaps their deaths are meaningful in a sense that they show a general lack of responsibility for the self- and for their enviroment). I think here the author is bringing into the picture the 'relative' difference but yes it could be said he is moving the focus away from a lesser 'evil' to a 'greater' one as you suggest. I'd like to ask the question here also- is marijuana or alcohol 'evil'? Or is the evil act driving high/drunk? Does 'evil' exist to you? I find myself thinking it's more stupidity than something evil... This might derail this thread slowly so if other people want to join in Anubis and my conversation about evil- let's start a new thread please,

Thanks for making me think Anubis,

so this isnt really true then?

Entropist wrote: I wonder what good reasons there are for using cannabis other than chronic disease and structural hemp?

you dont really wonder what good reasons there are?

do you just want an opportunity to use you logic to show that someone is wrong?

even though you have no life experience on the topic and, since you dont seem to believe that there are in fact any good reasons, i assume youre not well researched on the topic either

certainly not IMPARTIALLY researched

so you dont have the experience or the reseacrh to justify a definite opinion, but you do HAVE a DEFINITE OPINION

and if someone who does have life experience on the topic and is researched, were to offer to help you grow in your understanding, you would just argue with them, using this:

avoids psychological dependency, reduces risk and harm to others.

as the foundation for your, uneducated and inexperienced opinion, that cannabis is "bad" or as you might say, "using it is illogical"

which rather makes this unconvincing

My interests are on the case matter rather than ego centric motivations

if you werent motivated by ego, you would willing to recognize and open to learning, from those who have more experience than you

and if you say something like this:

I wonder what good reasons there are for ... ?

whatever the topic might be, it would be said because you really do wonder what the good reasons are for doing it

so, if you ever really do wonder what the good reasons are for cannabis use, let me know, i will be willing to share some of my personal life experiences with you

@Vusuki, Good questions.

An interesting thread that I follow regarding good vs evil is this one;
https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Philosophy/111638-is-mario-evil-the-science-of-good-versus-evil

I don't think any object in itself is evil. I look at it as the Force can be used for good or evil. It's the user that defines the nature of the use. There are a ton of people who I know that use marijuana and they certainly aren't evil, they just choose a different life style then my own. I would say the majority of people I deal with just made a bad choice but I have also dealt with people that I would classify as evil. They prey on weak people, take what they want with no regard for anyone else, and no matter how many lives they destroy that won't change.

I attempted to find any reports regarding the number of marijuana only operating while intoxicated (OWI) in Wisconsin and I have not found anything yet. I will look into actual numbers for myself but it may take some time because our records department can be fun to deal with, and I will have to look at each case because everything is categorized by statute number and we have one statute for all prohibited controlled substances when it comes to OWI. Luckily I have not had one single OWI in the past two years since I have been assigned to the unit so that will help same time.

As far as testing is concerned alcohol is always ruled out by the crime lab in Wisconsin. The only way to test for THC is a blood test. The first result you will get from the state is blood alcohol concentration (BAC). If the BAC is over .08, the state legal limit, no more test will be conducted due to the fact that it won't add to the charges and it's expensive. Then, if it's under .08 several months later officers will receive a report containing what drugs were found and the concentration. I have a theory that they wait several months hoping the case will be resolved and won't have to conduct the test for money reasons. There are several drugs that are not tested for but I'm not sure what all of them are, Suboxone being one they don't test for.

i found this interesting:

5 reasons legalized marijuana might be bad for pot smokers

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-legalized-marijuana-might-be-bad-pot-smokers/

I see it as beneficial to use for purely medical purposes but when people use it to become intoxicated it becomes a safety issue for the person themselves and people around them. :huh:

When the idea to register TempleOfTheJediOrder.org popped into my head guess what I was doing. Abuse is not an argument against proper use. That anyone could possibly be persecuted by a government (or anyone else) because they grew, possessed or used a plant is a crime against humanity and fundamental human rights.

Cannabis is a life affirming consciousness expanding miracle. Can it be abused and overused? Yes. And you can die from drinking too much water in a short a time too.

"The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world." ~ Carl Sagan


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Adder wrote: Yea 'good' is really open to interpretation. Do you mean 'healthy'?

I've found psychotropics with deliriant or hallucinatory effects can change ones capacity to perceive things... since its altered perception, and often it makes folks realize perception is actually awareness - so altering perception is probably not something to abuse. So whether that is good or not is still open to interpretation
:S

Avoiding dependency on substance usage is a great purpose for ‘good’ would you agree?

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