See mobbing or being mobbed...

Oh well OP's situation wasn't about someone being brutalized so I misunderstood what you were saying. If the person was being physically assaulted, of course I would call the cops at least. And I said nothing about acting out of fear. I was saying be conscious of your actions and whether or not it will actually help the individual. If the person is being assaulted, jumping in and fighting when you are clearly outnumbered is both rash and stupid. You will have helped nobody. If the attackers are armed, trying to start a fight clearly is stupid. You need to remain rational and weigh out the costs/benefits of action vs. inaction and there will be times where inaction is the most beneficial choice (and remember this is inaction at the particular moment). You can always meet up with the guy and help them avoid that kind of situation in the future. Which OP mentioned as something he can do.

Mobbing is an every day occurrence, and while increasingly common, absolutely nothing new. It's more commonly called "social justice" now.

For me it's more complicated given that it his workplace. He (to some extent and) for some reason chooses to be there and bear it. So long as it was not too bad, such as physical or abject humiliation to patrons, I'd probably make it obvious I was uncomfortable with the behaviour (and who was at fault, the bullies) without actually bringing it up in conversation.

I'd most certainly not show any support for the bullying!

I would though try to monitor it, as these things can get out way of hand over time. It really depends on the circumstance. Depending on how bad it got I would say something, even to the point of complaining up the corporate ladder over their heads, but it depends how bad it was getting.

If I was a lawyer I'd probably write the victim a note with legal advice and options and slip it to them one day before getting too personally involved. Being a workplace could mean there are even legal protections against what is effectively 'bullying' and harassment, and not providing a safe workplace.

I myself at my current workplace both observe and are the object of "mobbing" at times. When it comes to myself before I started following the Jedi path I would always retaliate to some extent, but since I've been practicing self control most normally I let it slide and keep it out of my mind, unless it is to the point that it may injure my peace. When I see it happening to others I wait and see if they can handle it themselves or if they need assistance, in which case I will intervene in an appropriate manner, but never to the point that it might escalate the situation or be unwelcome. You have to do what YOU think is right. If someone is not in immediate danger, then trust your instinct. Hope this helps.

I'm really thankful for all of your opinions, guys! The topic didn't start easily, while other, purely theoretical topics go well... I started to think that we are a group of "mindless philosophers" but now it is okay!

LDub01031994 wrote:

OB1Shinobi wrote: if someone is being physically hurt then a jedi is obligated to get involved, even if only at the level of calling the police

you cannot walk away from certain situations and consider yourself a jedi, imo

I would disagree with this. Jedi are mindful of when to take action and when not to.

Conflict: To know when to fight.

A Jedi knows the conflicting nature of the Force but they also know its peace and serenity. A Jedi never blindly enters conflict and always does so for the greater good.

Intervention: To know when not to act.

A Jedi knows how inaction can have as great an impact as action and how some of the greatest lessons are self-taught. To be a victor is also taking that victory from those you protect. A Jedi intervenes only when a Jedi's intervention is required.

Being brash and taking action without knowing the context will likely only end worse for the individual in question. Also, numbers is a huge factor. If it is like 10 people on this one person, it is extremely unlikely the two of you would do anything other than get yourselves hurt (if this was a physical situation). Considering that it was verbal, I think there is a less of a chance for this so it would be good to intervene. However, we cannot create rules such as "if you don't intervene you aren't following the Jedi path" because there can be situations of this kind where inaction at that particular moment would be the better choice.

I personally have a problem with "injustice" and have since I was a child and defended all the smaller girls than I in school. If anybody was getting bullied, I'd take the bully on, often times gaining an enemy. I didn't care at the time, they could do what they wanted to me as long as the other person was safe.
Nowadays, at 35, I can't really do that, and luckily I have not been in any situations where I have had to deal with someone getting mugged. I have a ..not really a fear but just a feeling...that one day I'm going to see some woman get hit by her husband/boyfriend/male and I'm going to defend out of instinct and that's going to be the last thing I do. Despite this, I still think that one has to take into account the entire situation before jumping in there. There may be other ways to help, without anyone knowing you were the one that did it.

Despite how badly you want to see justice done.

if you do nothing at all and someone dies?

if you did not so much as calling the police?

i think that i would probably feel very very ashamed of myself

we call it getting jumped where im from - ive seen lots of people get jumped - ive been jumped more than once myself

once i was beaten unconscious, and stomped while i was unconscious

ive also been chased by groups who wanted to jump me on a couple of occasions

i understand how frightening, and how dangerous, a group of people can be when they get violent

but there is the eternal question: do you let the violent and the vicious have their way?

does fear win over dignity?

i dont suggest diving into a losing situation (although i dont suggest NOT diving in either, necessarily)

what i suggest is assuming that it is the responsibility of decent people to say "no"

if all you can do is call the cops then call the cops

but you know, even walking out while youre on the phone with the police and saying "im on the phone with the police" might save someones life, potentially

or NOT doing so might cost them their life

a jedi has an obligation to act

there are situations - like being in prison for example, where you need tojust mind your own business because the customs and the culture itself is pretty violent

but generally speaking, the only defense against violent people is people who want to be peaceful and will not be frightened into irrelevance

Tamas wrote:

What to do, when you see mobbing, and you are a stranger?
What to do, when you see mobbing, and you are a member of the community, which does it?
What to do, when you yourself are being mobbed?

1. investigate because mobbing is bullying. and the intimidation of the victim has the need to ascertain what crime the accused committed, or if the bullies are offending to inflict prejudice onto the victim. then side with justice

2. same as above and side with justice.

3. reason the injustice to the mob, to authorities, and dismiss the mob. allow truth to expose injustice

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