See mobbing or being mobbed...

Today I ran into a situation, which always makes me uneasy and raises moral questions, when it happens.
At the local shop nearby, there is a new guy, who came to be a victim of mobbing. His colleagues treat him like a bad dog, call him names, insult him, and so on.
Since I'm not the part of the team, I didn't want to interfere, cause I think it would worsen his position... but maybe you think otherwise, my fellows.... I'm curious....
What to do, when you see mobbing, and you are a stranger?
What to do, when you see mobbing, and you are a member of the community, which does it?
What to do, when you yourself are being mobbed?

I would have engaged in a conversation with them. When i do and their provocation attempts fail they usually walk away.
however if things got out of hand i would walk away, or stay, depending on the situation.

Its something unfortunately I see quite a lot in my work as well as in some other countries I have worked in. Its a really uncomfortable situation. Ive reacted many ways from directly challenging the people involved to walking away and ignoring the situation.

From my point of view, its all about reading the situation, this is often the most difficult part as unless you have mastered mind reading you base your opinions on the words and body language of the situation as well as a gut feeling.

What to do, when you see mobbing, and you are a stranger?

I've seen this many times and again its about reading the situation, as a stranger you dont have any concept on why the mobbing is taking place, I don't agree with mobbing in any sense, so you have to make a choice...intervene or not.

If it is physical mobbing, ask yourself if it turns nasty can you control the situation? can you effectively defend yourself and not become another casualty ? look around you, are there people around you ?? often if one person stands up to a situation others will join the cause due to numbers and support. I will say however.. NEVER rely on other people to help.

Often in these situations there is one person who is leading the attack, and often taking the head of a group out of the situation will demoralise the rest of the group and allow to time to resolve the situation peacefully, but again this is not always the case.

Judge it based on what you see, hear, feel. Never unless there is no other choice begin with a physical approach, acting with emotion and being physical towards someone is not only wrong, but stupid in my honest opinion. Unless you are calm and neutral you cannot effectively defend yourself.

Your voice is a powerful ally, often a raised voice with a simple stop or excuse me and a presence allows the mobbed person to move, it gives the attackers pause and it also allows you time to ready yourself incase they turn on you.

If it does give them pause but they focus there attack on you, be decisive, if they move to attack defend yourself according , the quicker you subue an opponent the quicker you can deescalate the situation. So defend hard and fast and end it quickly.

In this situation assess the situation quickly, interrupt the momentum and be wary that you will be a target, prepare to defend yourself. as with anything call the police ...if you are not confident enough don't make yourself another victim.

If it is verbal and non physical, the same principle applies assess and then act if you are confident enough to deal with it, look for the leader, don't resort to their tactics just be assertive and calm.



What to do, when you see mobbing, and you are a member of the community, which does it?

Again as above, I despise bullying and mobbing, regardless of what the person has done we are not here to pass judgement. Don't allow their actions to make you something your not.

Group mentality is a powerful thing, but it can be broken if you give them enough pause to think about what they are doing.

What to do, when you yourself are being mobbed?

I have the unfortunate experience to have been mugged and mobbed several times, both physically and verbally. As with all of these situations, assess, interrupt and deescalate as quickly as possible. The longer it is drawn out the more difficult the situation becomes.

Verbally…. walk away, what do words mean ?? only what you let them……..

Physically, try to deescalate if no choice allow them to make the first move, then act fast and hard and end it quickly if there is a chance to run…. DO IT !!

Bareus wrote: I would have engaged in a conversation with them. When i do and their provocation attempts fail they usually walk away.
however if things got out of hand i would walk away, or stay, depending on the situation.

I tell you, why I decided not to interfere, Bareus. I put it in a metaphor. For that guy, I would be a defending sword - in someone else's hand. In that very moment, when that sword is sheathed, (in other words: I'm not there) the mobbing continues...

Maybe once I could try to talk to him: Why he can't fight back, why he stays at that sh.tty workplace.... something like this...

Sedrynvagor wrote: Its something unfortunately I see quite a lot in my work as well as in some other countries I have worked in. Its a really uncomfortable situation. Ive reacted many ways from directly challenging the people involved to walking away and ignoring the situation.

From my point of view, its all about reading the situation, this is often the most difficult part as unless you have mastered mind reading you base your opinions on the words and body language of the situation as well as a gut feeling.

What to do, when you see mobbing, and you are a stranger?

I've seen this many times and again its about reading the situation, as a stranger you dont have any concept on why the mobbing is taking place, I don't agree with mobbing in any sense, so you have to make a choice...intervene or not.

If it is physical mobbing, ask yourself if it turns nasty can you control the situation? can you effectively defend yourself and not become another casualty ? look around you, are there people around you ?? often if one person stands up to a situation others will join the cause due to numbers and support. I will say however.. NEVER rely on other people to help.

Often in these situations there is one person who is leading the attack, and often taking the head of a group out of the situation will demoralise the rest of the group and allow to time to resolve the situation peacefully, but again this is not always the case.

Judge it based on what you see, hear, feel. Never unless there is no other choice begin with a physical approach, acting with emotion and being physical towards someone is not only wrong, but stupid in my honest opinion. Unless you are calm and neutral you cannot effectively defend yourself.

Your voice is a powerful ally, often a raised voice with a simple stop or excuse me and a presence allows the mobbed person to move, it gives the attackers pause and it also allows you time to ready yourself incase they turn on you.

If it does give them pause but they focus there attack on you, be decisive, if they move to attack defend yourself according , the quicker you subue an opponent the quicker you can deescalate the situation. So defend hard and fast and end it quickly.

In this situation assess the situation quickly, interrupt the momentum and be wary that you will be a target, prepare to defend yourself. as with anything call the police ...if you are not confident enough don't make yourself another victim.

If it is verbal and non physical, the same principle applies assess and then act if you are confident enough to deal with it, look for the leader, don't resort to their tactics just be assertive and calm.



What to do, when you see mobbing, and you are a member of the community, which does it?

Again as above, I despise bullying and mobbing, regardless of what the person has done we are not here to pass judgement. Don't allow their actions to make you something your not.

Group mentality is a powerful thing, but it can be broken if you give them enough pause to think about what they are doing.

What to do, when you yourself are being mobbed?

I have the unfortunate experience to have been mugged and mobbed several times, both physically and verbally. As with all of these situations, assess, interrupt and deescalate as quickly as possible. The longer it is drawn out the more difficult the situation becomes.

Verbally…. walk away, what do words mean ?? only what you let them……..

Physically, try to deescalate if no choice allow them to make the first move, then act fast and hard and end it quickly if there is a chance to run…. DO IT !!

Thank you, Sedrynvagor, for your profound answer! Fortunately, this wasn't a physical action... they just talk to this guy like sh.t., and I can't stand people like this, you know... and I wonder what to do in cases like this.... while I should keep the Jedi way, at the same time

In every case I say if I have seen it I'm a part. Parts can play different outcomes. Meditate on that one friend. When I see "injustice" as such I usually introduce my self and remind those in listening distance that things like that are what is wrong with us. It would find some way to make a smile appear. That's just me, I'm the one at walmart with my boy and we juggle to see how many kids stop crying lol

Fortunately I have never been in or been a part of a mobbing. Glad to hear it was only verbal as opposed to physical though. I might not have intervened at first because I wouldn't know the full context, but I say that if you see the guy in the future try talking to him. Give him words of encouragement and empower him to stand up for himself. If you see the same thing going on in the future, I would then definitely intervene. If we don't do something to rectify the wrongs that we see in the world, could we ever expect change?

if someone is being physically hurt then a jedi is obligated to get involved, even if only at the level of calling the police

you cannot walk away from certain situations and consider yourself a jedi, imo

exactly what situations and exactly what our obligations are when they emerge is certainly an important topic, and probably best to have the answers and lines established before the moment arrives as much as possible

for the situation described, i dont know.
i have no response to what the right or wrong way to handle that moment was
the response i have is to emphasize that it is critically important for each of us, as jedi, to develop the sort of character and personal courage necessary to step up and get involved in situations any time that, if we are honest wih ourselves, we know it would not be right to walk away from

which is easy to say lol but not always easy to do

also, its equally important that we develop judgement on which battles we cant walk away from, and which are really not our battles to fight

sometimes the force presents us with moments simply for us to witness, and it is then our responsibility to examine the event and glean the appripriate lesson

OB1Shinobi wrote: if someone is being physically hurt then a jedi is obligated to get involved, even if only at the level of calling the police

you cannot walk away from certain situations and consider yourself a jedi, imo

I would disagree with this. Jedi are mindful of when to take action and when not to.

Conflict: To know when to fight.

A Jedi knows the conflicting nature of the Force but they also know its peace and serenity. A Jedi never blindly enters conflict and always does so for the greater good.

Intervention: To know when not to act.

A Jedi knows how inaction can have as great an impact as action and how some of the greatest lessons are self-taught. To be a victor is also taking that victory from those you protect. A Jedi intervenes only when a Jedi's intervention is required.

Being brash and taking action without knowing the context will likely only end worse for the individual in question. Also, numbers is a huge factor. If it is like 10 people on this one person, it is extremely unlikely the two of you would do anything other than get yourselves hurt (if this was a physical situation). Considering that it was verbal, I think there is a less of a chance for this so it would be good to intervene. However, we cannot create rules such as "if you don't intervene you aren't following the Jedi path" because there can be situations of this kind where inaction at that particular moment would be the better choice.

yo if someone is being brutalized by a "mob" then you need to at least call the cops

im not sure why you would disagree - maybe you didnt really read my post?

perhaps if its like the mafia mob and they will burn your house down

this is not simply a jedi thing, but a citizen thing - a decent human being thing

but as for being a jedi, if youre going to let fear stop you from doing what you know is right for you to do, when someones life could be on the line, then youre e'ffing up as a jedi.
BIG TIME

if you want to say that part of being jedi is using discretion,well yeah,thats what i said in my post lol