is ISIS evil?

actually, in the example of the evil wizard
the definitive characteristics are that he demands a victim

denies the victims right to refuse, denies actually that the victim is even worthy of any kind of rights at all

will not accept a resolution to his goal that does not involve a victim

and is ureceptive to the possibility that he may be wrong, regardless of any evidence presented

because of all of this,it dossnt matter to me if claims, or even if he really believes hes doing something for a higher purpose

Interesting thread so far.

I'll have to dig to find it because I have no idea where Ive saved it, but a friend of mine who is a psychologist in the prison system did an interesting piece of research on the depression, grief and remorse experienced by the inmates.

She found that with the exception of a very small handful who genuinely fit the narcissistic diagnosis (which is actually more rare than people realize) they all had an ingrained understanding that what they had done was wrong and their behavior was not the right course of action.

But interestingly all of them had created or accepted justifications for what they had done.

Even those who were brought up in gang environments and "brainwashed" into accepting the gang lifestyle, KNEW that it was wrong, but made the choice to accept it anyway.

They made the choice to participate in something and allowed the justifications they were either offered or developed for themselves to help them deal psychologically with the disconnect between what they knew was right and what they were doing. And much of their own psychological suffering and depression stemmed from that disconnect.


We talk about those involved in extremist activities as though they are victims of ideological brain washing. And perhaps they are, but at the end of the day, if only 25% of Muslims are considered extremists, then there's a whole 75% who did NOT become terrorists despite the same ideological influence.

It is a choice.

"Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of human freedoms - to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way." - Viktor E. Frankl

If only they listened to the little voice inside them and paid heed to it. They and everyone else would be much better off. It's so simple isn't it?

So the question is, Why don't they listen?

Alsa-him wrote: I dont see them as evil in either a personal view or in the societal view. What they claim to be is not terroist but rather rebles defending their faith and culture. While we may see them as in the wrong or evil they see themselves as rebles defending a noble cause. Evil is relative view on things and it is important that we dont just look at our view. To truely understand something we must first be accepting of the ideals and values it holds. This must be done even to those people and things that that harm us. To be a jedi is to be understanding and forgiveing in all things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ss4COzQr4w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuscHpCoXzQ

Alsa-him wrote: I dont see them as evil in either a personal view or in the societal view. What they claim to be is not terroist but rather rebles defending their faith and culture. While we may see them as in the wrong or evil they see themselves as rebles defending a noble cause. Evil is relative view on things and it is important that we dont just look at our view. To truely understand something we must first be accepting of the ideals and values it holds. This must be done even to those people and things that that harm us. To be a jedi is to be understanding and forgiveing in all things.

Hmm… sounds more like being a passive bystander that will allow the suffering of the innocent than being a Jedi.

Accepting that we do not all see eye to eye and have different governing dynamics is very Jedi.
To not be accusative of those that might be different of have differing views is very Jedi.
To stand idly by as an aggressor forces their will on a defenseless being… not Jedi.
To use compassion as a shield to hide our cowardice behind, not Jedi.
I can accept that others are different, but I would advise against forgiving those that do not want your forgiveness. Understand them, yes. Accept the difference, sure. And guard against the inequity that is thrust upon beings with no means of protecting themselves.

I have seen further up the thread that they are more like rebels
I couldn't disagree more
Daesh is a organisation that would rather enslave then free, and they do not fight against a force controling them
Rebels fight in MOST cases against oppression and don't forge it
Daesh is terrorists, not rebels, if not terrorists then milita
And they have commited crimes against human rights, wich also makes them criminals

And defence is not the same as expansion, nor the same as killing innocent civilians in another country
That is a act of war, and a non-defensive move

Everyone is reaching for an answer that I am sorry to say is a challenging human condition.

"Never give up never surrender" . Galaxy Quest

Be a beacon of happiness, confidences and love.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/283203-isis-claims-credit-for-orlando-shootings

IS take credit for orlando shooting last night

the death count is 50 afaik

coincidentally, i was in orlando last night for a coach's birthday party