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05 Apr 2015 14:52 #186975 by Zenchi
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Granted, there was quite a bit of modification done to the keys, it does indeed still work, the success depends entirely upon the user, more than the material in question. The entire authenticity of the keys in general could easily be questioned. That's the point many miss when trashing the version published in the Satanic Bible. Frankly its a topic for another thread entirely...

Edan brings up a few good points, parents can't be trusted to give their children an un-biased education on religion, teaching different religions in school would help to most definitely open a few minds that may not have given different religions a second thought, an un-biased one anyway. The trick is do it without pushing some form of agenda, and that's easier than it sounds given most schools are not as diverse as we would like them to be, hence the problem...

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05 Apr 2015 15:08 #186976 by Edan
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Edan brings up a few good points, parents can't be trusted to give their children an un-biased education on religion, teaching different religions in school would help to most definitely open a few minds that may not have given different religions a second thought, an un-biased one anyway. The trick is do it without pushing some form of agenda, and that's easier than it sounds given most schools are not as diverse as we would like them to be, hence the problem...


The school I went to, despite being essentially 'Christian' was pretty good at teaching religion. My year 9 religious education teacher was a gay buddhist who taught us meditation.. but I get he's not your usual RE teacher. There was a reverend who would only teach Christianity, but he didn't last very long...

Teaching kids religion in schools could be a way of exposing closed minded adults to other religions. Children like to question after all.

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05 Apr 2015 15:22 #186977 by ren
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I hate that religion is taught in schools here.
Also, no-one can teach anything without bias.

(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

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05 Apr 2015 17:41 #186988 by RyuJin
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we don't have that in the states....

my parents didn't force any religion on us....they told us to keep an open mind, do the research and choose for ourselves....

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05 Apr 2015 17:48 #186989 by Cyan Sarden

ren wrote: I hate that religion is taught in schools here.
Also, no-one can teach anything without bias.


Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm already dreading the talks with my kids' religion teachers. While religion class is not supposed to be focused on any specific religion, the reality is different. We have two state religions here: Catholicism and Protestantism. Religion classes are typically taught by pastors / priests of one of the two and it's not very surprising what the outcome is. I don't mind my kids learning about other religions (I find that essential, as a matter of fact), but I don't need them to be indoctrinated.

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05 Apr 2015 17:51 - 05 Apr 2015 17:52 #186990 by Edan
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Religious Education in the UK must cover certain religions.. there is the national curriculum so you can't have teachers only pushing one religion. I think some education is better than no education.

And if teaching is going to be biased, then you could use that argument about only teaching kids at home. More likely to be biased there I would have thought.

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05 Apr 2015 17:56 #186991 by steamboat28

Edan wrote: Edit:... If we leave parents to educate their children on religion, some will never do it, hence why I believe schools should teach religion.

RyuJin wrote: my parents didn't force any religion on us....they told us to keep an open mind, do the research and choose for ourselves....


I may be speaking out of turn here, but I have noticed a surprisingly large number of people who grew up atheistic and/or non-religious because of these reasons, who (when they got older and decided they "wanted" a religion) had the hardest time wrapping their mind around the concepts of theology later.

I think there comes a certain mythic understanding with a basis in religion; like the laws of Faerie, they're odd, and they don't always make sense, but they're rather consistent. It's almost like initiation into a mystery. When we gain this initiation at an early age, we are far more receptive to its more nonsensical qualities, allowing us to accept them so that we might later look at them non-literally as we age. Many people raised without these get stuck, as adults, on the nonsensical bits, not having had the benefit of experience with which to look at them from different angles.

Furthermore, neglecting to teach about religion in schools is a dangerous, dangerous path. While I don't endorse the teaching of religion in public schools, religion has influenced every other topic from history to politics to war to art. Nothing humanity does is untouched by it; even the non-religious are noted for being "secular". It is very necessary to understand the basics of religious history in order to properly interpret world history.
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05 Apr 2015 17:59 #186992 by Edan
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Edan wrote: Edit:... If we leave parents to educate their children on religion, some will never do it, hence why I believe schools should teach religion.

RyuJin wrote: my parents didn't force any religion on us....they told us to keep an open mind, do the research and choose for ourselves....


I may be speaking out of turn here, but I have noticed a surprisingly large number of people who grew up atheistic and/or non-religious because of these reasons, who (when they got older and decided they "wanted" a religion) had the hardest time wrapping their mind around the concepts of theology later.


I'm a bit confused as to what you mean. Are you saying that it's because they didn't get religious education or because they did?

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05 Apr 2015 18:12 #186993 by RyuJin
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i never got hung up on the fantastical bits...but even as a kid i saw them for what they were.....fictional tests of faith...i also saw the hypocrisy of many churches....preaching acceptance and tolerance in the sunday school classes...then at the sermon condemning the sinners....

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05 Apr 2015 18:38 #186994 by OB1Shinobi
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i think i really believed all the fantastical bits

but it was seeing my family act and talk in ways very different from jesus and then seeing the preachers and the other church members doing the same that i began doubting

actually what i doubted most was the people i saw - ive always belived in the essential truth of the messages of religious or spiritual views, even to the extent that i "know" that miracles do happen and that there are forces in the world which have their own volition and are at least in some cases beyond our ability to fully understand or to control or both

so the inconsistancy between what people around me did compared to what they said they belived, and the feeling of certainty they seemed always to have about their conclusions made me realize "i cant listen to anybody!" lol and so i never really did

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