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05 Apr 2015 04:01 #186921 by RyuJin
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we have the laveyan bible....or at least we did last time i looked

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05 Apr 2015 04:20 #186922 by a67
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Do you really think that the real book have only a hundred years?
;)
However, I am going to study it.
Just to be sure its not the same I read before.

I think this laveyan essays have 9 chapters.
I cant say bible because it have a lack of teachings.
Perhaps levayan holocron.. but bible?
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05 Apr 2015 05:04 - 05 Apr 2015 05:05 #186926 by Tarran
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I remember the Laveyan Satanic bible... iirc, the only thing I remember all those many years ago, disliking about it, and quite vehemently so, was its apparent casual re-wording of the Enochian Keys to tailor them for its own ends... something I saw as akin to when people in the old days used to use a copper penny to Mickey-Mouse a bad connection in their home fuse box (something that *very* often resulted in fatalities), only with an entire power station. There's just something about strapping a space shuttle rocket onto a pair of roller skates that even Wile E. Coyote would consider way too phuque-tardian to try.

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05 Apr 2015 06:50 - 05 Apr 2015 07:34 #186941 by Edan
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I think we should teach religions in schools... My colleague is Canadian and his kids know nothing of religion because their schools wouldn't teach it. My opinion is ignorance is the first step to fear. That said, despite having been/being a Satanist, the 'religion' is made up of so much more than just the church of Satan and Anton Lavey, and small enough in numbers of followers, that I don't really see the point of teaching it in schools.We just need to teach open mindedness so that when kids come across religions they're not familiar with, the first thing they do isn't shut off and call it evil.


Edit:... If we leave parents to educate their children on religion, some will never do it, hence why I believe schools should teach religion.

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Tarran wrote: the only thing I remember all those many years ago, disliking about it, and quite vehemently so, was its apparent casual re-wording of the Enochian Keys to tailor them for its own ends...


:) That's always been my issue with LaVey's Satanic Bible as well. I'm a long-time practitioner of Enochian magic - working primarily with Dee and Kelley's earlier pseudo-system rather than modern interpretations like those made popular by the Golden Dawn, but I still found the keys at the end of book very silly. It's just nonsense, so I've never been personally worried about anyone using it to cause too much trouble, but of course I appreciate what you're saying and it's nice to know I'm not the only person who was put off by that.

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05 Apr 2015 07:53 #186944 by a67
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Tarran wrote: the only thing I remember all those many years ago, disliking about it, and quite vehemently so, was its apparent casual re-wording of the Enochian Keys to tailor them for its own ends...


I'm a long-time practitioner of Enochian magic - working primarily with Dee and Kelley's earlier pseudo-system rather than modern interpretations like those made popular by the Golden Dawn, but I still found the keys at the end of book very silly. .


Enochian? I would like to know more about this. Can you recommand some books or "link"?
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05 Apr 2015 08:38 #186945 by RyuJin
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Edan wrote: I think we should teach religions in schools... My colleague is Canadian and his kids know nothing of religion because their schools wouldn't teach it. My opinion is ignorance is the first step to fear. That said, despite having been/being a Satanist, the 'religion' is made up of so much more than just the church of Satan and Anton Lavey, and small enough in numbers of followers, that I don't really see the point of teaching it in schools.We just need to teach open mindedness so that when kids come across religions they're not familiar with, the first thing they do isn't shut off and call it evil.


Edit:... If we leave parents to educate their children on religion, some will never do it, hence why I believe schools should teach religion.


good point....some parents are negligent in matters of spirituality and sexuality....often because they were raised to treat those subjects as taboo.....i didn't have those handicaps growing up....

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05 Apr 2015 08:49 - 05 Apr 2015 08:49 #186946 by Edan
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Edan wrote: I think we should teach religions in schools... My colleague is Canadian and his kids know nothing of religion because their schools wouldn't teach it. My opinion is ignorance is the first step to fear. That said, despite having been/being a Satanist, the 'religion' is made up of so much more than just the church of Satan and Anton Lavey, and small enough in numbers of followers, that I don't really see the point of teaching it in schools.We just need to teach open mindedness so that when kids come across religions they're not familiar with, the first thing they do isn't shut off and call it evil.


Edit:... If we leave parents to educate their children on religion, some will never do it, hence why I believe schools should teach religion.


good point....some parents are negligent in matters of spirituality and sexuality....often because they were raised to treat those subjects as taboo.....i didn't have those handicaps growing up....


Teachers get resources in order to be able to teach religion, whereas some parents will themselves also be completely ignorant of other religions. It would require learning on their part too, and adults can be much more closed minded than children.

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05 Apr 2015 09:07 - 05 Apr 2015 09:29 #186947 by
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a67 wrote: Enochian? I would like to know more about this. Can you recommand some books or "link"?


Totally, a67. I'm happy to share some info. There are a number of different magical 'systems' that have arisen from Enochian magic(k) and the original workings of John Dee and Edward Kelley, and it is different things to different people (depending largely on one's spiritual/magical/religious inclinations), but I will list a few resources below.

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05 Apr 2015 10:11 - 05 Apr 2015 10:18 #186949 by Tarran
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Nice compilation of source material, Arcade!

But I well should mention, even if only so I cannot say that it has not been said, that there has been a warning - when Dee and Kelly took notes on the system, the "angel" communicating with them had strongly warned them to never utilize the system... as it had soured over time since the antediluvian ages, and had become quite perilous to operate. The entities that populate the aethyrs in that system were no longer as they had once been, the powers shifted, the alignments confounded...

But while in sorcery, the magician turns to the aid of spirits and entities in order to ascend spiritual evolutionary stages of development, in ALCHEMY, one does so without such influences, and stands aright on one's own two feet on her/his own power - a magical being in one's own right.

But to see the SCIENCE of how the "magical universe" is structured, with the uninfluenced eye of an alchemist, there are quite a lot of excellent sources - but if I had to choose from among anything having to do with the Enochian system, I would have to say that of any Enochian text that would prove worthy, it would have to be "Enochian Physics", by Grerald Schueler.

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