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Satanism in Schools...
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Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
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Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
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However, I am going to study it.
Just to be sure its not the same I read before.
I think this laveyan essays have 9 chapters.
I cant say bible because it have a lack of teachings.
Perhaps levayan holocron.. but bible?
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Edit:... If we leave parents to educate their children on religion, some will never do it, hence why I believe schools should teach religion.
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Tarran wrote: the only thing I remember all those many years ago, disliking about it, and quite vehemently so, was its apparent casual re-wording of the Enochian Keys to tailor them for its own ends...

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Arcade wrote:
Tarran wrote: the only thing I remember all those many years ago, disliking about it, and quite vehemently so, was its apparent casual re-wording of the Enochian Keys to tailor them for its own ends...
I'm a long-time practitioner of Enochian magic - working primarily with Dee and Kelley's earlier pseudo-system rather than modern interpretations like those made popular by the Golden Dawn, but I still found the keys at the end of book very silly. .
Enochian? I would like to know more about this. Can you recommand some books or "link"?
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Edan wrote: I think we should teach religions in schools... My colleague is Canadian and his kids know nothing of religion because their schools wouldn't teach it. My opinion is ignorance is the first step to fear. That said, despite having been/being a Satanist, the 'religion' is made up of so much more than just the church of Satan and Anton Lavey, and small enough in numbers of followers, that I don't really see the point of teaching it in schools.We just need to teach open mindedness so that when kids come across religions they're not familiar with, the first thing they do isn't shut off and call it evil.
Edit:... If we leave parents to educate their children on religion, some will never do it, hence why I believe schools should teach religion.
good point....some parents are negligent in matters of spirituality and sexuality....often because they were raised to treat those subjects as taboo.....i didn't have those handicaps growing up....
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Quotes:
Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
J.L.Lawson,Master Knight, M.div, Eastern Studies S.I.G. Advisor (Formerly Known as the Buddhist Rite)
Former Masters: GM Kana Seiko Haruki , Br.John
Current Apprentices: Baru
Former Apprentices:Adhara(knight), Zenchi (knight)
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RyuJin wrote:
Edan wrote: I think we should teach religions in schools... My colleague is Canadian and his kids know nothing of religion because their schools wouldn't teach it. My opinion is ignorance is the first step to fear. That said, despite having been/being a Satanist, the 'religion' is made up of so much more than just the church of Satan and Anton Lavey, and small enough in numbers of followers, that I don't really see the point of teaching it in schools.We just need to teach open mindedness so that when kids come across religions they're not familiar with, the first thing they do isn't shut off and call it evil.
Edit:... If we leave parents to educate their children on religion, some will never do it, hence why I believe schools should teach religion.
good point....some parents are negligent in matters of spirituality and sexuality....often because they were raised to treat those subjects as taboo.....i didn't have those handicaps growing up....
Teachers get resources in order to be able to teach religion, whereas some parents will themselves also be completely ignorant of other religions. It would require learning on their part too, and adults can be much more closed minded than children.
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a67 wrote: Enochian? I would like to know more about this. Can you recommand some books or "link"?
Totally, a67. I'm happy to share some info. There are a number of different magical 'systems' that have arisen from Enochian magic(k) and the original workings of John Dee and Edward Kelley, and it is different things to different people (depending largely on one's spiritual/magical/religious inclinations), but I will list a few resources below.
Sorry for the momentary distraction from the original topic of this thread, Tarran. I'll hide the remainder of this response under the following spoiler.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dee
There are some good books on Dee and they aren't hard to find. You will also find excerpts from his diaries on the web and in published collections. And if you happen to find yourself at the British Museum in London some day, a small (but significant) selection of his magical tools and personal effects are on display.
For information on the various Enochian systems themselves, you might start with the Wiki page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enochian_magic
Traditionally, information on Enochian magic in the form of decent books has been sparse. I find myself going back to a few in particular, which I'll list briefly - but, again, depending on your personal mindset, you may or may not find these useful or in line with your own beliefs/practices.
Enochian Magic in Theory by Frater Yechidah (Dean F. Wilson)
Mastering the Mystical Heptarchy by Scott Michael Stenwick
Practical Angel Magic by Stephen Skinner & David Rankine
If you want a book that breaks down the magical elements and simplifies much of the archaic terminology, Jason Newcomb's Practical Enochian Magick is pretty good, but keep in mind that the Enochian workings within this book were essentially developed to complement his own system of magic, and some aspects of Dee's system have been dropped to make things less complicated.
If you don't mind a Thelemic bend, Lon Milo DuQuette's Enochian Vision Magick is a good read.
And if you're interested in the Golden Dawn's take on Enochian magic, Israel Regardie's book, The Golden Dawn , contains a reasonable amount of information on how they utilize Dee's magic. The Golden Dawn's version of Enochian magic is unique to the Order and is arguably its own system (they developed it before certain key documents from Dee's library were discovered/deciphered). However, this is also the most well-known application of Enochian magic, so it's often what is being referred to when people talk about Enochiana.
The version that shows up on television shows like "Supernatural" is derived largely from the Golden Dawn's practices.

A good place to start, though, is the previously mentioned Enochian Magic in Theory by Frater Yechidah. I wish I'd had that book available to me when I started practicing 22-23 years ago.
I'd recommend against Donald Tyson's Enochian Magic for Beginners - at least initially. It contains some good information, but the author spends a fair portion of the first section of the book trying to convince the reader that Enochian magic, in practice, is a tool to open portals to Hell. :evil: Which it's not.
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But I well should mention, even if only so I cannot say that it has not been said, that there has been a warning - when Dee and Kelly took notes on the system, the "angel" communicating with them had strongly warned them to never utilize the system... as it had soured over time since the antediluvian ages, and had become quite perilous to operate. The entities that populate the aethyrs in that system were no longer as they had once been, the powers shifted, the alignments confounded...
But while in sorcery, the magician turns to the aid of spirits and entities in order to ascend spiritual evolutionary stages of development, in ALCHEMY, one does so without such influences, and stands aright on one's own two feet on her/his own power - a magical being in one's own right.
But to see the SCIENCE of how the "magical universe" is structured, with the uninfluenced eye of an alchemist, there are quite a lot of excellent sources - but if I had to choose from among anything having to do with the Enochian system, I would have to say that of any Enochian text that would prove worthy, it would have to be "Enochian Physics", by Grerald Schueler.
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