Words Mean Things II... The Revenge...

Wescli Wardest wrote: @ Kamizu...

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As long as we're defining... that is technically 38% cyan, 85% magenta, 3% yellow, and 0% black to make what appears to be "perrywinkle". See? Words DO mean things. :evil:

For f***'s sake ! :blink:

Yep ... words mean stuff.


Those using them only try to ... :laugh:

Senan wrote: As long as we're defining... that is technically 38% cyan, 85% magenta, 3% yellow, and 0% black to make what appears to be "perrywinkle". See? Words DO mean things. :evil:

If that is the perrywinkle I am refering to. Alexandre happens to know that I was refering to a different perrywinkle... one of the fruitier colors in the "box of crayons".

I would think that rather than quible over a words deffinition we would try to understand what the other person was refering to and see if we could come to a terminology that could be universal, at least for the conversation. And on a slightly different yet related note... I just had an idea. Would the description you gave for the color perrywinkle have any meaning to a blind person? I would think that if it did, it would only be the meaning that individual assigned it based on how they were able to understand color. So in a way, the words we use are universally meaningless, but very menaingful to the interpreter.

I was really just being a smart ass in my last post, but now that you mention it, any definition is only as good as the meaning a person assigns to it. Defining perrywinkle in terms of other colors just begs a definition of each of those colors as well. Which in turn would require a definition of the word 'color'. If I happen to believe colors are actually feelings, then the definitions will take on a totally different meaning to me. Very interesting!

And I had a feeling that there was a whole other level of reference going on with the picture, but I am clearly not prepared for that conversation :laugh:

In addition to that, can we really be sure we all see the SAME perrywinkle? We're taught that grass is green, but do you see the exact same green I see? Or are we simply applying that name to that color because someone told us that roses are red? I think that has something to say about abstract words and our experiences with them

Also, I like how we call the grass green, but the reality is the grass is every color but green. We see it as green because it absorbs all the other colors of the spectrum and reflects green so, yeah, it really is every color but green.

That may only be loosely related to the topic of the thread, but maybe still worth mentioning.

Sorry, but that doesnt relate at all.

Certainly, we could argue we are not seeing the same color green,( as we all do not see the same rainbow) but saying the grass is blue, diagnostically, would mean something may well be wrong with you neurologically, and I would recommend anyone seeing blue grass to get to the hospital.

Green means at the very outside a specific shade of colors, and with that meaning, as it is with many diagnostic questions in medicine, it is important that certain words mean things.

Even asking what kind of pain.

I could easily make that ambiguous.

However, diagnostically speaking, the difference between a stabbing pain and an aching pain is important.

Sorry, I said I wouldnt get involved and I wont any further, but it only helps so much to take this too far outside a certain criteria to where it is even remotely helpful as a discussion.

Since I view the Temple as one of learning, inquiry, sharing and self development, I think it should be ok for people to use their own words - whatever helps them achieve the most out of the experience, but...

If the meanings are known to be divergent from contemporary understanding or have regional variation, then some explanatory wording should be added to help communicate their message more effectively ELSE people should enquire for clarification.

That process of clarification should not need to be painful..... if it is painful then its probably the emotions feeling anxiety about disagreeing or not understanding. So IMO, in that case perhaps people should either not participate until they've calmed down and can ask nicely for clarification - or just ask nicely for clarification
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We do not have to agree on outcomes of discussions, so why do we need to agree on meanings of words used to discuss outcomes!?

Senan wrote:

Wescli Wardest wrote: @ Kamizu...

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hahahahhaha :woohoo:

As long as we're defining... that is technically 38% cyan, 85% magenta, 3% yellow, and 0% black to make what appears to be "perrywinkle". See? Words DO mean things. :evil:

Im going to remember this when I have to explain Calla lilly purple pre wedding!!

We could objectively define green, or any other color, based on the frequency of the electromagnetic spectrum their name indicates, i.e. Green is the color that corresponds to 1,050Hz-1,250Hz, or something like that.