Is the Internet a Right?

Wescli Wardest wrote:

Connor Lidell wrote: lol. I tend to bring some radical views to the table. Sorry about that.

Without the norm being test we would grow complacent and lax in our understanding of things. Pushing boundaries is how progress is made.

Be radical my friend! :woohoo:

I only said sorry because you get to deal with it.

Living is actually a right. You were born and therefore have a right to live.

Complete non-sense. The vast majority of things that were born are now dead. And those that haven't died yet, will do so very shortly. So it's more like "You were born and therefore have a right to die".

Rickie The Grey wrote: This whole "rights" things just doesn't seem to make sence unless you think you're entiteled to something?

I know some may may not agree but you get what you earn. No one gives away anything unless you are a charity case.

Rights can't be earned. That's why they're rights.
If you could earn them, they'd be privileges.

ren wrote:

Living is actually a right. You were born and therefore have a right to live.

Complete non-sense. The vast majority of things that were born are now dead. And those that haven't died yet, will do so very shortly. So it's more like "You were born and therefore have a right to die".

It could be interpreted in any of the following ways:

• You were born, and therefore have a right to everything necessary to sustain that life for its natural duration, however long that may be
• You were born, and therefore have a right not to have your life terminated prematurely through the actions of another human being
• You were born, and therefore you have a right to die in a manner consistent with your choosing, knowing that it is ultimately an inevitability.

How about….
You were conceived and therefore have the right to pursue an existence that makes you happy, so long as that happiness does not harm others, until your end arrives.

Wescli Wardest wrote: How about….
You were conceived and therefore have the right to pursue an existence that makes you happy, so long as that happiness does not harm others, until your end arrives.

Isn't that a little contrived though?

con•trived

/kən-trīvd/Adjective

1.Deliberately created rather than arising naturally or spontaneously.

2.Giving a sense of artificiality.

What part of language or our conveyance of understanding isn’t contrived?

That's the point.

I remember writing not too long ago that words ruin everything. ahhaa.

steamboat28 wrote:

ren wrote:

Living is actually a right. You were born and therefore have a right to live.

Complete non-sense. The vast majority of things that were born are now dead. And those that haven't died yet, will do so very shortly. So it's more like "You were born and therefore have a right to die".

It could be interpreted in any of the following ways:

• You were born, and therefore have a right to everything necessary to sustain that life for its natural duration, however long that may be
• You were born, and therefore have a right not to have your life terminated prematurely through the actions of another human being
• You were born, and therefore you have a right to die in a manner consistent with your choosing, knowing that it is ultimately an inevitability.

One time I asked a lawyer what makes a law... he answered it has to be in writing. Next I asked him what makes a right and he said it must be written too. So then I asked him how we came up with rights and laws before they were written down, and he didn't know. Keep in mind this was a bar-certified lawyer with a degree and all that.

I keep having this same discussion over and over with Americans mostly. People seem to think rights are granted by government, or rights don't exist, or they're a legal fiction, etc. Then there's the default anwer that rights are given by God. Well, rights are self-evident. We have all kinds of rights but we only put certain ones in the constitution(and then amended it 17 times) for clarity. The right to poo is not something the government wants to take away so we don't see it enumerated in any declaration.

The entire concept of privileges, entitlements, and "you gotta earn that" is rife with classism. The biggest proponents of this ideology are people who have never worked a day in their life and they're just covering up their own sense of entitlement by blaming others.

I have a sense of propriety. I have been working full time since I was 14.