What is it really? Lets talk about the Force for real...

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18 Nov 2020 09:23 #356263 by Gisteron

Proteus wrote: It's often I see people wanting a tangible definition of the Force - tangible meaning, something they can nail down with boundaries, and can encapsulate with human language... Is there no other way to observe or contemplate the force beyond this typical approach and learn from it?

Not effectively, I'd say. It needn't necessarily even be a matter of narrowing it down, chopping off some nuances and subtleties and cramming it into a box it has no business fitting into. It's more of a "Seriously, now, what are you talking about though?" kind of question.

Either the Force is a broadly important concept in our paths or it is not. If it is, and if we are spending a notable amount of our time discussing or teaching it beyond mere fanciful throwaway lines, like wishing each other that it be with us, then it is an entirely fair question to ask, and an important one to ponder, what it is that we are spending that time and effort going on about, or at least what we mean by it. No, we may not be able to come up with a single definitive answer, but if we come up with grossly different ones, or flail in an attempt to dismiss the question when unwilling to answer anything at all, then I submit it'd be a high ask to make of anyone, including ourselves, that we take each other seriously on this matter.

There is a case to be made, surely, that the two go hand in hand: If we care about this "the Force", maybe we would do well clarifying at least to ourselves, and at least ever so vaguely and approximately what we mean by it. Alternatively, if we want to set that discussion aside with no comment, then perhaps we need to forfeit either the claim that this "the Force" thing is of deep importance to us, or that generally approaching things with our intellect (as opposed to passion, say) is. I'm not sure having it both ways is an option.

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18 Nov 2020 15:12 #356267 by Kraz
Would it make sense to see the Force as energy (both kinetic/physical as well as spiritual/intangible)? I mean, the actual force which is everywhere - which both surrounds us as well as conditions us? In other words; the energy that enables everything to exist and function in its respective form.

The Gray Jedi Code (Leor Danal’s Final Code):
"Flowing through all, there is balance.
There is no peace without a passion to create.
There is no passion without peace to guide.
Knowledge blinds without the strength to act.
Power blinds without the serenity to see.
There is freedom in life.
There is purpose in death.
The Force is all things and I am the Force."

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18 Nov 2020 22:41 #356271 by rugadd
If someone comes up with kinetic manipulation through force of will and is able to teach it, I will gladly amend my definition to include it specifically.

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23 Nov 2020 18:28 #356437 by Carlos.Martinez3
Any one familiar with the Great Randy? He has passed away a few months ago but what he did in the past was amazing. If any one in the USA is talking about "tests" done, he did a few to de bunk a few things. There is a movie called...


The honest liar. worth having a look see.
www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Clerg...rnal?start=30#355531

Any one one else know of people who can prove ? I am still sporting the Learners braid on this one myself here. I am always willing to hear more than just one side.

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