who is this man?

I really leave that up to the individual and their personal beliefs which will generate from their experiences and what they have learnt.

And the reason I say that is there are several philosophical view pints which could justify or rationalize Jesus’ status one way or the other. IE: We are all part of the divine. If you are a part of it you can’t be separated from it therefore are it. That said, by the same logic Muhammad is God.

What I don’t think people realize is that when someone from another religion comes and points out the “errors” or confusion inherent in their beliefs, it is seen as an assault and generally not received well. I am not Christian or Islam or Druid or Satanist or Atheist or any of that… I am a Jedi and so take little offence. But others will.

The best way to win over people’s hearts and minds is to lead by example. I will not tell you the flaws and inconsistencies I have found in Islam, I will be a Jedi and we can discuss the pros of an idea. Or it’s own cons. I have no desire to tell people they are confused in their beliefs (I am not that arrogant to think I know best) or convince them otherwise.

For the record, some Christian denominations view Jesus as the Son of God and separate. The Catholic church claims the divinity of the three in one trinity. Applying what you believe to the correct denomination will give your argument more credibility then making broad generalizations.

What I don’t think people realize is that when someone from another religion comes and points out the “errors” or confusion inherent in their beliefs, it is seen as an assault and generally not received well.

"Few people have the wisdom to prefer the criticism that would do them good, to the praise that deceives them."
Francois de La Rochefoucauld

"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things."
Winston Churchill


Also there is nothing un-jedi about criticism.

Conflict: To know when to fight.

A Jedi knows the conflicting nature of the Force but they also know its peace and serenity. A Jedi never blindly enters conflict and always does so for the greater good.

Pure Motive: To act with motive and purpose.

Without a sound motive and purpose, action has no meaning, no destination and lacks a foundation. A Jedi moves with the Force, trusts in its ways. A Jedi’s actions are firmly based upon a deep motivation to be as their path dictates.

Also, wescli, this is the faiths forum, the place to discuss faiths that aren't Jediism.

The problem here isn't criticism, it's criticism by a muslim of christianity on a jedi forum. Provided it is ,as you claim, criticism. It is in my eyes, an empty act: no-one really seems apt or interested in engaging in a discussion...

Yasoooo you'd be much better off putting this on a christian or religious studies website....

Exactly!

For the greater good.

I would love to discuss Islam and learn more about it from one who practices it. I’m not particularly interested in a Christian’s view of Islam anymore than I am of an Islam view of Christianity.

Criticism is not a bad thing. I am pointing out that it may very well be taken offense to by some. I find criticism to be very constructive when it is analyzed for what it is and acted upon.

Think of the benefit we would all gain if we focused on sharing what we believed and not what we perceive of others. That could be pretty awesome.

I'm not sure you can criticise any disbeliever of Islam, really. After all, according to your scripture its Allah himself who 'sealed their hearing and their hearts' (Quran 2:6-7), made them deaf (2:25) and covered their hearts (18:57). I agree that the Christian opinion on Jesus (pre-supposing he ever walked the earth in the first place) stands on shaky ground but its not that Islam makes a better case in the slightest, really. Seriously, if you criticize a doctrine, better point out what's wrong about what it says and not how it isn't consistent with a different one.

I apologize if I'm wrong and maybe indeed this is just me, but...

To me it seems that this gentleman is not interested in discussion or exchange for he has not adressed a word anyone else said but instead keeps preaching to the boards with no intent of conversation or at least conversion. It seems to be of no relevance to him wether his posts are even read, considered, accepted or contradicted or for that matter responded to in the first place.

On a side note, I found the text of his latest post at 'The Religion of Islam' and the post before that at 'One Reason' , both in exactly the same form as presented here, suggesting that yasoooo is not the author of the text and not honest enough to cite his sources. I cannot go so far as to accuse him of being a bot, but the evidence suggests not only that he is uninterested in intellectual theological exchange on the topic, but that he is probably not versed enough in it to provide arguemnts of his own for the cause he is representing. This is detrimental to our motivation to be responding in the first place and the lack of response to our posts from yasoooo is but testifying for his lack of expectation or interest in our answers as well.

Since this is a basis on which no interesting conversation can emerge I suggest this topic be locked or denied the user 'yasoooo'. Should he start a new thread for the purpose of preaching, on his own or by the magic of copy'n'paste, I also suggest that the user be removed from the boards.

This post, too, I have found countless times with different nicknames (I didn't bother looking through all the google findings, but I found one with the very same nickname and an eni-something was banned on multiple forums giving the exact same text, too). I'm afraid you have a spammer on the boards.

Ren wrote: It is in my eyes, an empty act: no-one really seems apt or interested in engaging in a discussion...

And I quite agree...

It isnt harming anyone...

Sorta like the street preacher, spouting his convictions in the air...

Only this guy isnt reacting to ANY of the passerbys...

Seems like a waste of his time... But, it is his time... Maybe he will help someone find what it is they might be looking for...

It doesnt have to be interactive, the bible, like any other book, isnt very interactive... lol...

Gisteron wrote: Since this is a basis on which no interesting conversation can emerge I suggest this topic be locked or denied the user 'yasoooo'. Should he start a new thread for the purpose of preaching, on his own or by the magic of copy'n'paste, I also suggest that the user be removed from the boards.

So, to be clear, you are suggesting a proactive approach to a person who hasnt done anything wrong, correct?

I am just comparing to the reason you redacted your membership, when a member of Council reacted to provable spamming threats, and attacks, on our TOTJO boards from a hostile website?

Threats and spammings that you, yourself, were witness to?

Interesting....

ren wrote: Heretics who refused to prostrate themselves before the only true trinity: Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. :whistle:

Two things.

I read Brahma as Brenna

And because of this thought the other two were forum members.

Then I re-read it and hid my shame.

Kohadre wrote:

ren wrote: Heretics who refused to prostrate themselves before the only true trinity: Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. :whistle:

Two things.

I read Brahma as Brenna

And because of this thought the other two were forum members.

Then I re-read it and hid my shame.

:lol:

Kohadre wrote:

ren wrote: Heretics who refused to prostrate themselves before the only true trinity: Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. :whistle:

Two things.

I read Brahma as Brenna

And because of this thought the other two were forum members.

Then I re-read it and hid my shame.

It's my hope that for the future IP religion exercise, people will be tempted to investigate Hinduism. It's an amazing religion with all sorts of different beliefs, ranging from atheistic, to monothesitic, a trinity, to polytheistic... And plenty of philosophy to go with it. Really amazing.

ren wrote:

Kohadre wrote:

ren wrote: Heretics who refused to prostrate themselves before the only true trinity: Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. :whistle:

Two things.

I read Brahma as Brenna

And because of this thought the other two were forum members.

Then I re-read it and hid my shame.

It's my hope that for the future IP religion exercise, people will be tempted to investigate Hinduism. It's an amazing religion with all sorts of different beliefs, ranging from atheistic, to monothesitic, a trinity, to polytheistic... And plenty of philosophy to go with it. Really amazing.

I thought it was required of the current initiate program to read into Hinduism Ren, I know I did while in the process of that particular exercise.

It is a shame though, when I was searching for books, my local libraries had ZERO books on the subject, and my local bookstores only a few select pieces for the topic.

LOL. Wouldnt be the first time ive been called a heretic!


Kindle has a number of surprisingly good free books on hinuism that you can download on either a kindle or any "smart" thing that can have the kindle app.

The weirdest thing about this thread is it's a guy preaching to jedi why christianity is wrong and Islam is right which doesn't make any sense. He's clearly trying to convert christians to Islam when there are very few christians reading this thread. It's like a guy walking up to a bunch of people using android phones with his apple phone and telling them how bad Blackberry phones are.

Vesha wrote: The weirdest thing about this thread is it's a guy preaching to jedi why christianity is wrong and Islam is right which doesn't make any sense. He's clearly trying to convert christians to Islam when there are very few christians reading this thread. It's like a guy walking up to a bunch of people using android phones with his apple phone and telling them how bad Blackberry phones are.

yeah, what is that about? didnt research in motion, blackberrys parent corp, file bankruptcy recently from declining sales of their product? ragging on blackberries is just hitting em while theyre down at this point. but dont even get me started on those overpriced apple products. i got me an android product.

Kohadre wrote:

ren wrote:

Kohadre wrote:

ren wrote: Heretics who refused to prostrate themselves before the only true trinity: Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. :whistle:

Two things.

I read Brahma as Brenna

And because of this thought the other two were forum members.

Then I re-read it and hid my shame.

It's my hope that for the future IP religion exercise, people will be tempted to investigate Hinduism. It's an amazing religion with all sorts of different beliefs, ranging from atheistic, to monothesitic, a trinity, to polytheistic... And plenty of philosophy to go with it. Really amazing.

I thought it was required of the current initiate program to read into Hinduism Ren, I know I did while in the process of that particular exercise.

It is a shame though, when I was searching for books, my local libraries had ZERO books on the subject, and my local bookstores only a few select pieces for the topic.

Yes and no... "Introduction to central philosophies of world religious movements: Buddhism/Hinduism", this with a book called "introduction to Buddhism"... I could be wrong, I don't actually read people's journals (so many of them, so little time), but I expect people would either not touch hinduism at all, or at best look at the Buddhist philosophy that comes from Hinduism...


The new exercise doesnt mention Hinduism at all, however "Exercise 1: Explore Monotheism and polytheism. Compare the teachings and practices of a monotheistic with a polytheistic religion of your choosing." will I think encourage people to dig deeper into the various schools of thought surrounding monotheism and polytheism, not just birth/death/rebirth and karma which are elements common to Hinduism and Buddhism

As I pointed out and as every one can test and verify on his own, the text he posts are occuring countless times on the internet, mostly, of course, on christian forums or muslim apologetic sites and are probably neither intended for us nor composed, but rather copy'n'pasted here by the user for no reason whatsoever. Now that I think of it, if I wished to convert someone to a religion, I would at least be arguing for it and not just spamming the boards with information that doesn't address the discussion's other participants' points or as it happens to be here - even beliefs; nor expands on previously made arguments by any bit.

The fact our responses are ignored entirely with no exception (afaik, not even addressed through PMs, though feel free to correct me, if you received any) is a testiment to the lack of interest the OP has even in us reading them and the lack of cited sources is a testiment to his, her (or its) dishonesty.

One could easily make the case, that we are dealing with a spambot or an information distribution automaton (that other than a spambot only functions when ordered to copy a text (from a certain source) to all the boards it was registered to), and the assumption, while baseless, would not only not need to be forced or made belief, but indeed would perfectly account for and be a direct conclusion from the evidence we have.

Seriously, this is even below preaching. A preacher at least speaks the words on his own and doesn't play a tape he probably didn't even record.

i, too, find it annoying.

yasoooo, please reply with a personal post. If you post one more copy / paste this account will be blocked.

OK. Now we know you're not a bot, but still boring. Are you planning to get involved in jediism in any way you can choose (even by discussing about Islam) or are you just there to do some Muslim proselytism ?

OK. Now we know you're not a bot, but still boring. Are you planning to get involved in jediism in any way you can choose (even by discussing about Islam) or are you just there to do some Muslim proselytism ?

I just picked MDK's post, could have been any of them...

I was going to go through the thread and reread it in its entirty, and I have started...

So, yasoooo goes on to begin the thread with his OP, then, people start posting about sex with children...

He responds to this in his second post, closing his response with, "Not [I am assuming he meant 'now'] to mention you can go to Guatemala/Honduras/other South American cultures to find child marriages to be the norm."

yasooo responded in post two to the comments on sex with children, then proceeded to go onto the next point he wanted to share...

And no one responds...

In his third post, he further explains his interpretation (or that of another that he agrees with I am assuming, lol, Im doing a lot of assuming...)

Still no comments...

So, up to this point, we have said that Mohammad was a child molester, and that is all the conversation we have had with yasooo... To which he responded...

Then Wescli posts about him not repling to comment made to him...

And, I think he does... I missed this as well initially, and thanked Wescli's post...

And then quite a few posts not really engaging him in what he has said...

I dont find an issue here...

Look up Maynoth's posts, you will find his same stuff at every site he went to as well...

Perhaps, if yasooo is willing, we could get a Christian believer here to answer his posts...

See, if I am not interested, or find the thread uninteresting, I just dont reply....

I have posted in this thread twice now, and neither was about what the topic is about...

Cause, 1. I dont care enough about Islam to reply, 2. I am not as knowledgeable about christianity and Islam as many, and would quickly lose a discussion...lol...

It sure seems like a, uh, nice way to greet someone...



Oh, and his last post addresses ren's comment on the IP and Hinduism...

Thats twice he has responded...

Like so many, he has choosen what he responds too, and it is not what others might want him to respond to, but, it is his choice to pick and choose what to respond to, as well as it is ours...