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15 Nov 2013 13:50 #125078 by StudentOfTheForce
Wow, I must compliment the wisdom of the answers I've received

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15 Nov 2013 14:09 #125079 by Connor L.
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Even in the Lore, we find that the attachment rule is "silly".

It helps cause the demise of the universe. Anakin was constantly being told that he couldn't love... Look how that turned out.

But, look to the New Jedi Order, and we see that they were encouraged to love.

Look for the Bare Necessities of Life

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15 Nov 2013 14:25 #125080 by Naya
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And a Jedi Knight was forced to kill her Sith brother... that didn't work out so well either. :laugh: ;) :P :whistle:

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16 Nov 2013 00:16 #125128 by Whyte Horse
Marijuana, B&D, and S&M Jedi wedding ceremony... just a thought.

Attachment to material goods seems to be the main issue that people have. I love my car, my house, my tv, my iPhone, and I'm willing to murder other people or watch them die so I can keep it. I turn a blind eye to child slave labour so I can have a microsoft mouse for a little less money.

Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts.

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16 Nov 2013 03:05 #125141 by Jestor
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StudentOfTheForce wrote: Masters and councilors, I am confused on the topic of being in a relationship. I know Jedi should not form attachments, but is ceremonially pronouncing love for another anything like that? Basically I want to know if one can be a Jedi and still date/ marry?


"Obsessive/unhealthy attachments" are what we are wanting to avoid... In my opinion...

My wife, kids, family, phone, house, car, TOTJO, martial arts, and a whole lot more.... lol...

The inanimate objects are the easiest (should be) to let go...

Then, choices would have to be made...

I love my daughter, but, I had to divorce her mom.... For my mental health....

Long story... lol, aren't they all when of this type? ;)

When an attachment forces a "questionable" decision....

A decision that would seem counter to "normal" thought processes....

That "normal" thoughts might deem as detrimental to the well being of something or "someone"...

Then it becomes "unhealthy" or "obsessive" attachment....

And should be avoided....

Sith ain't Evil...
Jedi ain't Saints....


"Bake or bake not. There is no fry" - Sean Ching


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16 Nov 2013 03:58 #125146 by Leandros Von

Jestor wrote: I had to divorce her mom.... For my mental health....


I know that feeling Master J ;)

"If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin"

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16 Nov 2013 04:26 #125149 by Archon
Replied by Archon on topic A couple of questions...
Of all the lessons I have learned here, the one that rings loudest for me is this:

Be who you want to be.

There are steps to this lesson, like knowing who you are and understanding your potential, but this lesson is the most important to me.

Now, as for marriage, entering into marriage usually is a very emotion-filled adventure. Instead of thinking marriage as the ultimate attachment, think of it as finding a person to share the adventure of life with, and enjoying that adventure together. The emotion that can come from marriage is the result of what you put into it. Like everything, garbage in equals garbage out.

In the end, it all goes back to the lesson above. If you choose to marry or not because that is who you want to be, good for you! Understand yourself, know what you want in life, and then GO GET IT!
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29 Jan 2014 19:22 - 29 Jan 2014 19:24 #135556 by Ve-Lo-Zi
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Alexandre Orion wrote: NO !!! YOU MUST BE CELIBATE - NEVER TOUCH NOR LOOK AT ANYONE - AND MIND YOUR THOUGHTS !!!

:laugh:

- oooh ! if that were the case, we would be so screwed ! :P


I don't want to seem disrespectful by arguing with you as a Councillor and I am aware that the part of your post which I quoted is meant ironical. However, I do have to disagree with you if what you are saying is that being celibate (out of religious or spiritual motives) is generally bad or "inferior" when compared with being in a relationship. The No-attachment rule of the "old" Jedi Order in the movies has it value because it enables the Jedi to remain free to serve the Force in a very special way and the people which need his/her assistance. In my opinion, it is exactly the love for Padme which turned Anakin to the Dark Side. Had he followed his oath and not entered into a relationship with her, Palplatine wouldn't have been able to manipulate him to such an extent. As is seen in the end of Episode III, his love for Padme ultimately leads to hate and to his falling prey to the Dark Side.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that relationships are bad and we should all be celibate, I'm just arguing that there are two sides to the coin here and that it is a very complex and difficult topic to which there is no easy answer.

In real life by the way, I know quite a few (Catholic) priests and monks/sisters who live in celibacy and they are (mostly) happy and content with it because they say it "frees them up" and enables them to focus their attention on serving God and their fellow men.
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29 Jan 2014 23:31 #135622 by Opie Macleod
Quick note: Jedi were/are not celibate. In Star Wars I mean. It is something many fiction writers miss unfortunately.
But Lucas revealed that despite their monastic regime, Jedi were permitted to have sex.
"Jedi Knights aren't celibate - the thing that is forbidden is attachments - and possessive relationships."
George Lucas Interview May 2002 - news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1989505.stm

Second Note: It wasn't Anakin's love, but his fear of loss. It was his possessiveness and greed. His lack of trust and communication. He didn't trust Obi-Wan would understand his position. He didn't want to have to chose between being a Jedi and having a family. And instead of confronting this problem, he ran from it. His fall, if you can call it that, was not a by-product of love. Lust, Greed, Guilt, Lying, Vanity, but not Love. If he truly loved Padme he would have been more than willing to give up the Jedi Life in order to save her.
It is also a lesson in self-fulfilling prophecy. By trying to run from it he created it. There is no magic solution. Sometimes you just have to man up and accept the consequences of your actions. You have to make a choice.

Anyhow. Sexual Well-Being is an important factor to consider in one's personal well-being. But if we are to look at the fiction - then do note Jedi were allowed to have sex. And anyone who has looked into the subject understands sex has very clear biochemical effects. Which can be very beneficial. But just like spiritual well-being, there is no one size fits all answer. So there is the other side of the coin for you.

Thankfully us actual Jedi do not have such restrictions. And we must deal with the juggling act of relationships and living as a Jedi. But the lesson of Anakin can help us in that. Communication - Trust - Openness - Willing to Own Up to Our Choices and Mistakes - Understanding that not making a choice is still making a choice. So on and so forth we see exactly what not to do. Actually adhere to the Jedi Path. :P
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02 Jun 2014 23:13 #148834 by BWright24
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I'm just wondering why more people don't use the chat?
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