Victim Blaming vs Personal Responsability

Brenna wrote: lol. And yet I have been broken into three times. Nothing of value in my car. Not visible anyway, though I doubt a make up case in the glove box counts.

Once parked in my own drive way (I live in a very nice area), once while parked in a friends drive way and once in the parking lot of a restaurant.

it seemed likelyyou were speaking from experience
all i can say is i empathize

im curious about the time line and the kind of car it is/was

the means they used to get in

OB1Shinobi wrote:

Brenna wrote: lol. And yet I have been broken into three times. Nothing of value in my car. Not visible anyway, though I doubt a make up case in the glove box counts.

Once parked in my own drive way (I live in a very nice area), once while parked in a friends drive way and once in the parking lot of a restaurant.

it seemed likelyyou were speaking from experience
all i can say is i empathize

im curious about the time line and the kind of car it is/was

the means they used to get in

Yes. Personal experience. Negligible though as I have insurance and nothing valuable was taken.

I chose the example because it seemed one that most could relate to without any of the potential issues that other examples may have brought up.

Seriously?

I'm happy to oblige, but, why should it make a difference?

Person A chose to take action that negatively impacted person B. There is nothing about person Bs circumstances that change the fact that it was person As choice.

i dont mean any disrespect

i plan to open a martial arts gym sometime in the not too too distant future

i consider crime prevention part of my field of study

let me say this ok, i didnt mean to put you on the spot and its not necessary to give any more details than you already have

3 breaks ins is a lot depending on timeline and area

it wouldnt necessarily be suprising if your car was parked in tampa heights or robles park or parts of town where the streets are numbered or named after civil rights activists
(these are american patterns - if youre in the UK its probably different)

also timeline because 3 break ins in five years or seven years is not necessarily a lot, again the area makes a difference

but three break ins in one year is a lot for a car parked somewhere not known for breakins

its especially a lot when there were no valuables in plain sight and it would be even more unusual if it were a car that doesnt announce I HAVE A LOT OF MONEY

the fact that two of the incidents occured at personal locations strikes a nerve with me

im not interested in making you look or feel like youre wrong

i immediately see the potential for worst case scenario in everything and so i ask the kinds of questions that eliminate or indicate probabilities

this way i can relax, develop further inquiry, or come up with a plan, depending on the answers

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also i realize its none of my business and i respect that

is there a "tampa heights"?

i've lived in florida most of my life and never heard of tampa heights...

i usually hear a lot of bad things out of pinellas park...

http://spotcrime.com/fl/tampa/tampa+heights

well i'll be....i used to drive right by there when i was doing the remodeling of the base housing at mcdill....

thats awesome
ive lived on 30th across from the anheiser busch factory in north tampa
temple terrace
port tampa
town and country
brandon
and interbay/macdill in south tampa

im back in fla now but ive spent almost the last ten yrs in tx

RyuJin wrote: i leave my car unlocked everywhere...i leave nothing of value in it...if you don't know the complex process i have to use to start it then you can't get it running...it's a stick shift which is a dying art form (i only know of a few people around me that can drive stick)...i look like i do...everyone around here knows i know martial arts, and everyone knows i own a small arsenal...

I find it funny when you say it's a dying art form, when manual cars are predominant in the U.K and Europe. Sorry that was off topic, just a thought

OB1Shinobi wrote: i dont mean any disrespect

let me say this ok, i didnt mean to put you on the spot and its not necessary to give any more details than you already have

3 breaks ins is a lot depending on timeline and area

it wouldnt necessarily be suprising if your car was parked in tampa heights or robles park or parts of town where the streets are numbered or named after civil rights activists
(these are american patterns - if youre in the UK its probably different)

also timeline because 3 break ins in five years or seven years is not necessarily a lot, again the area makes a difference

but three break ins in one year is a lot for a car parked somewhere not known for breakins

its especially a lot when there were no valuables in plain sight and it would be even more unusual if it were a car that doesnt announce I HAVE A LOT OF MONEY

the fact that two of the incidents occured at personal locations strikes a nerve with me

im not interested in making you look or feel like youre wrong


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also i realize its none of my business and i respect that

Lol. its not "personal", its irrelevant. A person decided to take a course of action which was harmful to another. Where it occurred or what that persons justification was is irrelevant to that fact.

but, since your interested.

First car that got broken into




Second car that got broken into twice



locations





Know what they have in common? A criminal who is responsible for committing acts that negatively impact others.
Safety and taking reasonable precautions is one thing, but even if reasonable precaution are not taken, the responsibility STILL lies with the person who made the decision to act.

Brenna, I think he asked about what type of car it was because certain types of cars are more likely to be broken into. For instance, my Mustang is more likely to be broken into than my old Ford Escort because it's a nicer car but is still obviously old enough to be less likely to have tons of newer security features like OnStar and stuff. As such, I'm more careful about where I park it. When my dad drove a Challenger (man was that a sweet car) there were tons of places that he simply wouldn't leave it because it was way too likely to be messed with. His Dodge Dart he's less careful with.

Ryujin wrote: it's a stick shift which is a dying art form (i only know of a few people around me that can drive stick)

I very specifically only drive stick shift cars because it limits the number of people who can drive them, and because it's way more fun to drive.

Leaving the topic of car theft behind, I had to do some digging but I found this thread ( Asking for personal responsibility vs victim blaming ). I figured that it might have some other insight that would be good to mix in to the conversation. Honestly, when I first saw this one I thought it was the old one and thought "Wow! Someone has been doing some deep digging this weekend." :laugh:

Really this is a tricky thing. I was raised to believe that my actions dictate what happens in my life so I frequently get told I victim blame because I try to look at what could have been done to avoid the situation so that it may be avoided in the future. Bad things can happen to good people, but fewer bad things happen to good people who are prepared for them to happen and who actively work to avoid them. One of my favorite movie quotes is "Chance favors the prepared mind."

Things are going to happen, we can't escape that, but it does us no good to believe that we can't effect the outcome of our own lives.