What's the difference between hunting and buying meat?

Personally, I have NEVER been hunting either with a gun or a bow, not that I don't like hunting...but I was born with mild epilepsy and cerebral palsy in my left side and I cannot effectively turn my wrist on my left hand far enough or well enough to properly hold a rifle or shotgun. I would love to go bow hunting, but compound bows are differcult because even though I can hold one in my left hand keeping it steady is a challenge. I do want to get a crossbow but trying to properly cock it to fire it one handed is tough. Other than that, I do not have any issues with hunting or fishing other than to say only kill what you NEED and be respectful of what you kill and thank the animal for it's sacrifice for you. As far as the comment hunting is for jerks, I say this: There are people that qualify to be placed under the heading of jerks everywhere: A person cuts us off in the car, a jerk, a guy that looks at a woman like the only thing she is put on this earth is to serve him, a jerk, certain people in our favorite MMO like SWTOR or SWGEMU or WOW, or LOTRO that steal our kills or just act immature, jerks. You can find "Jerks" everywhere, not just hunting. The difference is how you react to those people who act like "jerks" you can fuel their hate and respond to them, or you can tell yourself that you will rise above how they act and will strive to act better than that towards people. I know a few guys that hunt that aren't jerks. It's not the sport of hunting that makes a jerk, it is the personal choice of the indivual person to be a jerk.

Steamboat, Since you are local, i would like to inform you that a few of us will be going spear hunting for boar in the future. Your welcome to come. Something to think about anyways.

I love hunting with an outstanding passion. This being said, I have never hunted before lol. It has always been something I wanted to do. I never had the chance because of my estranged fathers utter fear of firearms, the irony being he used to be a Marine who, during a live fire training session, he went insane. So no father son bonding over a fresh kill like the good old days. But I've always had a fascination with firearms, hunting, camping and overall bushcraft. I've actually been taking my cousin (more like my little sister) to the woods and showing her the things I've learned on my own in the wilderness. I've never felt that there was a better way to be with someone you love, whether it be family, friends or significant other then when sitting around a campfire and sharing the love with nature. If more people would take their kids out for hunting, fishing, etc. , we would live in a more meaningful world where people are people and everything is more simple. Its a hard life, we need to pull together and see each other as part of a community of understanding. You could live a completely different life from someone in like Afghanistan, but go on a hunt with someone like that, even if you don't speak to each other, you both will come out with a better respect for each other. We all came from the same stuff, we're all looking for the same answers even if we ask the question differently, and we will all end up at the same place eventually. I don't know of its heaven, hell, a ball of conscious energy or nothing at all, but I will see all you there with open arms and welcome you into my mind body and soul no matter who you are. I love you all. I haven't posted in a while so sorry if this is too much and wayyyy off topic lmao. But I couldn't stop typing.

Hunting is cheaper than buying. It used to be free and legal until the king declared ownership over all the animals and made everyone pay a tithing to get a license.

If you eat meat, an animal dies either way. If you do it yourself you can control the circumstances of the death and free someone else from the task. It's morally superior to hunt rather than buy.

In this day and age, meat isn't necessary and is actually bad for your health. I've cut way back on my meat consumption and am extremely cautious about where it comes from because of this. I keep trying to find foods to replace meat in my diet. Nuts and Tempeh are helpful. You can probably cut your meat eating by 50% just by eating nuts and beans and tempeh regularly. I just heard of a study that eating nuts all the time is really good for you.

Andy Spalding wrote: Steamboat, Since you are local, i would like to inform you that a few of us will be going spear hunting for boar in the future. Your welcome to come. Something to think about anyways.

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Did someone bring up spear hunting?

I usually take one large boar a year with either a knife or spear. It lasts through most of the year.

There are many things about the hunt which appeal to me - particularly hunting with bladed weapons. Firstly, the boar is similarly armed. Granted, it has no dogs for tracking and catching, but when it comes time to thrust the hunter is in very real peril. Razorbacks have inches of cartilage across their shoulders and backs that can stop bullets. Additionally, their tusks are nearly razor-sharp. Their molars act as whet stones each time they chomp down. Catch dogs do their best to hold, but a 200-350 pound boar will toss them in a hurry. One friend took too long and came away with 94 stitches for his hesitation. It's food with consequences - it requires teamwork, skill, and caution.

Hunting is a very serious thing - one which helps me appreciate the value of the creature I hunt. A deli price does the boar no justice. I like the Native peoples' take on hunting - that every animal had an overarching spirit. When a hunter demonstrated his worthiness to that spirit, it gave him the kill. But perhaps that is my Cherokee heritage and Oklahoma upbringing coming to the surface.

I do understand that buying meat is necessary, though. Without the farming and livestock practices we have today, I'd imagine quite a few species would have been hunted to extinction.

What's the difference?

Knowing that when the economy and government collapses, Some of us can still survive on what the Force has provided for us. While those of you who wish to believe that animals were only left here to provide zoo attractions scrape the grocery store shelves and kill other humans for scraps, those of us who chose to understand our place in the physical world, will be doing just fine. Unless you try to steal or kill us. :evil:

Although I am a hunter and do enjoy the sport, I am, as many of us are, conservationists. The hunters of the world understand animal management more than those "Tree Hugging Liberals" that think tigers live in the Hundred Acre Woods with Pooh Bear. The deer population in Michigan is being decimated by the overpopulation of wolves some tree huggers thought would be nice to have and listen to on that warm and fuzzy cool night while they sit around a camp fire singing Come by ya.

This apex predator is at the top of the food chain in the wild and procreates at an alarming rate. I hunts in packs and takes everything it can sink its teeth into, including your family dog. In can run on top of the snow while deer sink. There are a lot of things we hunters understand because we walk among them. How many of you non hunters can say you were within 10 feet of a full grown 200 lbs wolf in the middle of the Ottawa National Forest with no one there but you and it? Have you ever had a coyote sit next to you at midnight in the light of a full moon...and just look at you with that "Are you Stupid" look on his face?

This hunting thing is not just about sport or meat for the freezer, it's about that connection to the REAL WORLD that
you city dwellers and non believers will never experience. Hunt deer, if it were just for meat there would be more farm raised deer and on the grocery store shelves.

I love these threads, so much arrogance by you non hunters.

Phortis Nespin wrote: What's the difference?

Knowing that when the economy and government collapses, Some of us can still survive on what the Force has provided for us. While those of you who wish to believe that animals were only left here to provide zoo attractions scrape the grocery store shelves and kill other humans for scraps, those of us who chose to understand our place in the physical world, will be doing just fine. Unless you try to steal or kill us. :evil:

Although I am a hunter and do enjoy the sport, I am, as many of us are, conservationists. The hunters of the world understand animal management more than those "Tree Hugging Liberals" that think tigers live in the Hundred Acre Woods with Pooh Bear. The deer population in Michigan is being decimated by the overpopulation of wolves some tree huggers thought would be nice to have and listen to on that warm and fuzzy cool night while they sit around a camp fire singing Come by ya.

This apex predator is at the top of the food chain in the wild and procreates at an alarming rate. I hunts in packs and takes everything it can sink its teeth into, including your family dog. In can run on top of the snow while deer sink. There are a lot of things we hunters understand because we walk among them. How many of you non hunters can say you were within 10 feet of a full grown 200 lbs wolf in the middle of the Ottawa National Forest with no one there but you and it? Have you ever had a coyote sit next to you at midnight in the light of a full moon...and just look at you with that "Are you Stupid" look on his face?

This hunting thing is not just about sport or meat for the freezer, it's about that connection to the REAL WORLD that
you city dwellers and non believers will never experience. Hunt deer, if it were just for meat there would be more farm raised deer and on the grocery store shelves.

I love these threads, so much arrogance by you non hunters.

I am not sure if this is in response to my post, or the post of someone else, however many in the thread seem to be in support of hunting.

there's hunting and buying from a hunter. Then there's farming and buying from a farmer. farming is far more efficient at supplying food and not completely ruining the planet. If we were all hunters we'd be hunting one another or be extinct now.

farming is far more efficient at supplying food and not completely ruining the planet.

So efficient in fact, that most of it rots before it gets distributed.

Pretty sure hunters are not "completely ruining the planet" quite like the GMO's and deforestation are.

Yes, I was thinking along similar lines.. care to elaborate Ren? I'm curious how you've reached that conclusion.

Farming in itself is not bad. If it weren’t for farming we would not have had the time or luxury of setting around and developing civilization or securing future food stores. The inherent downturn is greed. Wanting more then we need. Wasting all the excess and creating a surplus in the first place.

If we went back to a hunter gather society then most of our daily lives would be spent in search of food and constantly moving to where the food was.

And, in fact there are hunters that abuse their lifestyle as well. No one is perfect and everyone is capable of being infected with greed.

Now… I believe hunting is important. It is a skill we should all have and everyone should kill at least one meal in their life. On the other hand, birthing an animal, raising and then killing it for dinner has a far better ability of showing the individual the cost of life.

So what’s the difference? Buying meat, vegetables, or any other food from someone else you don’t have to get your hands dirty and you are deprived of the opportunity to really understand what it takes for us to live.

Phortis Nespin wrote: Knowing that when the economy and government collapses, Some of us can still survive on what the Force has provided for us.

My chemistry lecturer often went pig hunting with a compound bow... his advice was to take a pistol if you missed because they would come at you. Some of them are huge up nearer the equator. I actually ended up buying one of his bow's but only killed targets with it (but I sold it to buy a 2nd hand mixer)
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Adder wrote: My chemistry lecturer often went pig hunting with a compound bow... his advice was to take a pistol if you missed because they would come at you. Some of them are huge up nearer the equator. I actually ended up buying one of his bow's but only killed targets with it
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Personally I would prefer to carry a large-bore rifle compared to a pistol, just because I'm a better shot with long arms than I am with pistols.

Jestor wrote: Things are always as complicated, or easy, as we make them...

I like eating meat...

Not beef so.much, but, chicken, fish, and just about every other kind I've had...

I guess beef is OK, just prefer the others...

Jestor...I too feel the same way, A few months ago a friend gave a free range farm raised chicken. I have trouble now biting into store bought chicken. Especially after he told me about the tumor line they have at some of the plants that use lots of growth hormones. It's a line to cut the tumors off the chicken.

Anyhow try to get a farm raised chicken one time, it will blow you mind, and your tastes buds

So efficient in fact, that most of it rots before it gets distributed.

nonsense. besides, what about all the wild animals that die a natural death? Do they count as waste too? When a supermarket fails to sell a rotting tomato, it's waste, what about all the wild fruits that have the same fate? Do they count as waste too?

tzb wrote: Yes, I was thinking along similar lines.. care to elaborate Ren? I'm curious how you've reached that conclusion.

it was very easy. If I hunted down the local wildlife, I'd eat for about two weeks (provided I successfully store the meat), and about 200 people would starve. I don't remember ever seing a tree that produces edible fruit in the UK. If you think of the oceans, there's more of them than there is land, and marine life only forms a small part of our diet... yet the oceans are depleting. And in fact, we've polluted the planet so much now that natural fish (as in: fresh of the ocean) is actually toxic. Eating natural fish everyday is now dangerous.
So yes, farming isn't just better, it's a necessity.

Farming was developed as a mean of guaranteeing food supply by people who were very skilled at hunting/gathering, yet found it insufficient. Even though high-wheat diets are not as nutritionally good for humans as hunting/gathering, it was still overall better than hunting/gathering, and that's why it's been in use ever since. That's when we weren't 10 million on the planet, there's 7 billion of us to feed now.


There is no purpose in hunting nowadays except for "sport". Want survivalist skills? Hormone-free food? get yourself some chickens and grow some corn in your garden. They worked it out 12000 years ago, I'm sure you can too.

Food waste. I don't just make this stuff up.

http://www.nrdc.org/food/files/wasted-food-ip.pdf

It outlines the inefficiencies in the food supply system. Read it. Or not. You already have your opinion made.

For a solution, there is often a problem. In the Southern Coasts of the US, our fertilizer runoff is creating dead-zones in the gulf. The reasons are complicated, but they usually centralize around profit.

I personally think the difference is quite simple.

Everyone can get to a supermarket and buy meat, not everyone is able or willing to actually kill their own food.

Sport hunting without actually using the meat afterwards is like driving to a supermarket, buying food, throwing it all away and keeping the packaging to prove that you bought it.


The amount of food waste in the world is horrific and we should be ashamed. Hundreds of tons of edible food is thrown away each year. If more people understood what really goes into the production of their food, or were forced to farm/hunt for their own survival, i think that would change fast!

Word, Brenna.