Best martial art?

As far as the best martial art goes, there isnt one. You win and lose with a mindset. I have never liked tournament style martial arts. Many of the black belts of tournament styles are nothing more than a paper black belt. Worthless in a true fight. But the ones that aren't, they have an entirely different mindset.

Just food for thought. Master Yip said that the problem lies not with your art, but within yourself.

Calanon wrote:

Aqua wrote:

RyuJin wrote: Speaking of long range muzzle velocity have you seen the new developments in making the ar platform long range capable...pretty cool...

Martial means military, so martial arts means military arts...it stands to reason that for them to be effective in any situation you must then strive to understand and utilize a wide array of military arts....strategy, hand to hand, grappling, melee weapons ranged weapons, etc...a soldier/warrior must be like a multi tool, multi tools have a variety of tools to answer a variety of tasks...

Are you sure? I have no doubt in your warrior understanding, You have more understanding about the warrior than I have in this live, but like a multi tool?

A tool with one purpose is very good in a specific line work and will work a lifetime. A tool with multiple purposes does a nice job over multiple lines of work, but when preforming one specific line of work it will not last long..

My question is: If a soldier or warrior is a like a multi tool.. How can it preform multi tasks as well as single tasks? Or do I have to make a split up between two types of warriors/ soldiers.

Just wondering

The difference between a human and a tool is all the difference in the world.
However..
It depends on the quality of the tool itself. My dad has his military issue multitool still.. 24 or so years after getting it.. it works just fine and shows no sign breaking down. On a multitool you have multiple tools. Each one designed for a specific task, or line of work. It is using these in ways they shouldn't be used that causes issues and faults.

A warrior should also be able to perform multiple function based upon the situation. Sometimes the situation requires to kill. Others it just requires to be restrained. Sometimes they just have to beat someone to a bloody pulp.

As a student of martial arts, I'm going to put forth that you're both right at the same time as being wrong.

The way of the warrior, the art of peace, is not for killing or causing harm. It can be used in that manner, but first and foremost, it is the art of the defense of others. Sometimes defending another will be violent, and the warrior must always be prepared for that possibility. But a well thought answer usually makes any aggressor think twice. It is this function that warriors are meant to serve. To keep the peace, violently if needful.

The difference between a multitool and a soldier is that the tool is just that. An inanimate object in the hands of another. A warrior is like a tool because they exist in the will of their purpose.

Hopefully that answers your questions.

-Calanon

It gives answers, covering it not entirely.

saying that I am right and wrong at the same time.. duality as the vibration of live. Your words have a deeper message if you see it..

After saying that, I have trained in multiple aspects of bushido for quite some time, although not as much as some knights here that are way beyond me but in the time I was a student I learned some wise words from my sensei.

,,Bushido, way of the warrior, the first you must learn is to build character. In combat you must take your enemy down as quick as possible, when it comes a fight.''

The way of the warrior is indeed about self developing. The etiquette is about protecting, the deeds are about how to kill your enemy as fast as possible. Include to see who is your enemy, like understanding how to kill your enemy in means of the objective. Good example is the myth of the samurai:

A samurai warrior once was charged with avenging a noble's death at the hands of a rival warlord. He trained for four years, studied the warlord's habits, and planned his attack. When the day came, he stealthily approached the warlord when he was alone, and cornered him. The samurai held his katana aloft, poised to strike the final blow, when the warlord, utterly defeated, spit in the face of the samurai. The samurai sheathed his sword and walked away, rather than kill the warlord out of anger.

Killing is the way of the warrior, like a blossom flower, a handsome way of expressing art, but gone within seconds on the battlefield when in combat. If we look at Jujutsu, Ninjutsu, Kyūsho and Iaido and Kadō. We can see that there is a point of self defence for the mental philosophy behind it.
But the techniques are all lethal and deadly within seconds. The way of bushido is all about: if you want to use a technique in her full potential or not.. Designed to kill, used to the situation that is required. Adaptation can be found in the eight rules of samurai.

Small reminder in case for the people who do not know, Kadō is the art of flower arranging, used in bushido to teach the beauty of live that can be gone after creating the inner weapon. It becomes more and more until it is complete and looks very good. After a short time it is gone..

Kadō is understanding the true essence of bushido. Try to understand that part and understand that bushido is killing, within adaptation of techniques required to the situation.

Aqua wrote:

Calanon wrote:

Aqua wrote:

RyuJin wrote: Speaking of long range muzzle velocity have you seen the new developments in making the ar platform long range capable...pretty cool...

Martial means military, so martial arts means military arts...it stands to reason that for them to be effective in any situation you must then strive to understand and utilize a wide array of military arts....strategy, hand to hand, grappling, melee weapons ranged weapons, etc...a soldier/warrior must be like a multi tool, multi tools have a variety of tools to answer a variety of tasks...

Are you sure? I have no doubt in your warrior understanding, You have more understanding about the warrior than I have in this live, but like a multi tool?

A tool with one purpose is very good in a specific line work and will work a lifetime. A tool with multiple purposes does a nice job over multiple lines of work, but when preforming one specific line of work it will not last long..

My question is: If a soldier or warrior is a like a multi tool.. How can it preform multi tasks as well as single tasks? Or do I have to make a split up between two types of warriors/ soldiers.

Just wondering

The difference between a human and a tool is all the difference in the world.
However..
It depends on the quality of the tool itself. My dad has his military issue multitool still.. 24 or so years after getting it.. it works just fine and shows no sign breaking down. On a multitool you have multiple tools. Each one designed for a specific task, or line of work. It is using these in ways they shouldn't be used that causes issues and faults.

A warrior should also be able to perform multiple function based upon the situation. Sometimes the situation requires to kill. Others it just requires to be restrained. Sometimes they just have to beat someone to a bloody pulp.

As a student of martial arts, I'm going to put forth that you're both right at the same time as being wrong.

The way of the warrior, the art of peace, is not for killing or causing harm. It can be used in that manner, but first and foremost, it is the art of the defense of others. Sometimes defending another will be violent, and the warrior must always be prepared for that possibility. But a well thought answer usually makes any aggressor think twice. It is this function that warriors are meant to serve. To keep the peace, violently if needful.

The difference between a multitool and a soldier is that the tool is just that. An inanimate object in the hands of another. A warrior is like a tool because they exist in the will of their purpose.

Hopefully that answers your questions.

-Calanon

It gives answers, covering it not entirely.

saying that I am right and wrong at the same time.. duality as the vibration of live. Your words have a deeper message if you see it..

After saying that, I have trained in multiple aspects of bushido for quite some time, although not as much as some knights here that are way beyond me but in the time I was a student I learned some wise words from my sensei.

,,Bushido, way of the warrior, the first you must learn is to build character. In combat you must take your enemy down as quick as possible, when it comes a fight.''

The way of the warrior is indeed about self developing. The etiquette is about protecting, the deeds are about how to kill your enemy as fast as possible. Include to see who is your enemy, like understanding how to kill your enemy in means of the objective. Good example is the myth of the samurai:

A samurai warrior once was charged with avenging a noble's death at the hands of a rival warlord. He trained for four years, studied the warlord's habits, and planned his attack. When the day came, he stealthily approached the warlord when he was alone, and cornered him. The samurai held his katana aloft, poised to strike the final blow, when the warlord, utterly defeated, spit in the face of the samurai. The samurai sheathed his sword and walked away, rather than kill the warlord out of anger.

Killing is the way of the warrior, like a blossom flower, a handsome way of expressing art, but gone within seconds on the battlefield when in combat. If we look at Jujutsu, Ninjutsu, Kyūsho and Iaido and Kadō. We can see that there is a point of self defence for the mental philosophy behind it.
But the techniques are all lethal and deadly within seconds. The way of bushido is all about: if you want to use a technique in her full potential or not.. Designed to kill, used to the situation that is required. Adaptation can be found in the eight rules of samurai.

Small reminder in case for the people who do not know, Kadō is the art of flower arranging, used in bushido to teach the beauty of live that can be gone after creating the inner weapon. It becomes more and more until it is complete and looks very good. After a short time it is gone..

Kadō is understanding the true essence of bushido. Try to understand that part and understand that bushido is killing, within adaptation of techniques required to the situation.

I'm sorry that you feel that way. I see why you think that way, but all I have to say in reply is to give you the words of the great Master.



That said, I do understand where you come from, but all the great masters disagree with you. Master Yip of Wing chun. Master Bruce Lee of water.. and so many others..

To take your enemy down in a fight as quickly as possible does not mean to kill. It is a mercy to end any fight quickly. As a student yourself you are also in the same boat as me, though with different understandings of the arts. It falls upon us to prevent slaughter. It is our place to protect those around us.

For instance. I would kill to protect my family, my lovely lady friend, and her family. But even so, how much damage would it do to the mind of anyone to see someone killed right in front of them? You have to adapt to the situation at hand. Killing is but one way of ending it. Bushido is not just about killing. Bushido is so much more than that.
Killing should always be the very last resort. Life is sacred and belongs to all. To hurt another is to hurt yourself.

I apologize for the length. I hope this helped to bring clarity to the conversation.

Learn how to fix em before learning how to break em, then you can always fall back on the fix'n as default and avoid break'n, or at least break with mindfulness.

I agree with your words. Jedi peacekeepers and their first case, to instruct on the path of truth.

Adder wrote: Learn how to fix em before learning how to break em, then you can always fall back on the fix'n as default and avoid break'n, or at least break with mindfulness.

I practiced Kenpo and Karate for several years before I came to the realization that many of the techniques I learned simply were quite superfluous after I got my ass handed to me in a series of fights I did not start. I'll say this much, those fights changed my outlook on the martial arts. Yes, it really does depend on what you are looking for. Are you looking for mind/body meditation, fitness, or streetwise effectiveness? I happened to want to actually hold my own in a fight, so I switched to taking classes of Muay Thai, BJJ, Wrestling, and Boxing, as well as a few classes of Jeet Kune Do and Krav Maga. Then, I found HEMA. After looking into historical swordsmanship as a side-interest, and after studying Medieval combat for awhile I fell in love with it. It combines my love for history with the brutality of actual no-holds-barred fighting. I still do Muay Thai for striking and BJJ for groundfighting and incorporate elements of those into my HEMA training. So, I guess I can say that what I was "looking for" evolved. I might say this to any practitioner of a martial art, however: if you haven't been bloodied and bruised, the 'martial' element is somewhat lacking

Aqua wrote: Dim Mak, pressure point fighting style, if there is one fight style that is strong, one finger to put a man down ..

this is clearly fake

im sure most here are aware of that
but to anyone who is uncertain and interested, simply go to youtube and search "knockouts" and see what it really looks like

watch a few videos of the real thing

then come back and watch this again, and see if you dont spot some of the differences for yourself

Life itself is a martial art ...

The World is the tatami, the arena ...



One could say it is the best one -- as it encompasses all the others.

And --

-- it can be quite graceful.

(and, sometimes - often really - pretty brutal) :pinch:

Calanon wrote:

Aqua wrote:

Calanon wrote:

Aqua wrote:

RyuJin wrote: Speaking of long range muzzle velocity have you seen the new developments in making the ar platform long range capable...pretty cool...

Martial means military, so martial arts means military arts...it stands to reason that for them to be effective in any situation you must then strive to understand and utilize a wide array of military arts....strategy, hand to hand, grappling, melee weapons ranged weapons, etc...a soldier/warrior must be like a multi tool, multi tools have a variety of tools to answer a variety of tasks...

Are you sure? I have no doubt in your warrior understanding, You have more understanding about the warrior than I have in this live, but like a multi tool?

A tool with one purpose is very good in a specific line work and will work a lifetime. A tool with multiple purposes does a nice job over multiple lines of work, but when preforming one specific line of work it will not last long..

My question is: If a soldier or warrior is a like a multi tool.. How can it preform multi tasks as well as single tasks? Or do I have to make a split up between two types of warriors/ soldiers.

Just wondering

The difference between a human and a tool is all the difference in the world.
However..
It depends on the quality of the tool itself. My dad has his military issue multitool still.. 24 or so years after getting it.. it works just fine and shows no sign breaking down. On a multitool you have multiple tools. Each one designed for a specific task, or line of work. It is using these in ways they shouldn't be used that causes issues and faults.

A warrior should also be able to perform multiple function based upon the situation. Sometimes the situation requires to kill. Others it just requires to be restrained. Sometimes they just have to beat someone to a bloody pulp.

As a student of martial arts, I'm going to put forth that you're both right at the same time as being wrong.

The way of the warrior, the art of peace, is not for killing or causing harm. It can be used in that manner, but first and foremost, it is the art of the defense of others. Sometimes defending another will be violent, and the warrior must always be prepared for that possibility. But a well thought answer usually makes any aggressor think twice. It is this function that warriors are meant to serve. To keep the peace, violently if needful.

The difference between a multitool and a soldier is that the tool is just that. An inanimate object in the hands of another. A warrior is like a tool because they exist in the will of their purpose.

Hopefully that answers your questions.

-Calanon

It gives answers, covering it not entirely.

saying that I am right and wrong at the same time.. duality as the vibration of live. Your words have a deeper message if you see it..

After saying that, I have trained in multiple aspects of bushido for quite some time, although not as much as some knights here that are way beyond me but in the time I was a student I learned some wise words from my sensei.

,,Bushido, way of the warrior, the first you must learn is to build character. In combat you must take your enemy down as quick as possible, when it comes a fight.''

The way of the warrior is indeed about self developing. The etiquette is about protecting, the deeds are about how to kill your enemy as fast as possible. Include to see who is your enemy, like understanding how to kill your enemy in means of the objective. Good example is the myth of the samurai:

A samurai warrior once was charged with avenging a noble's death at the hands of a rival warlord. He trained for four years, studied the warlord's habits, and planned his attack. When the day came, he stealthily approached the warlord when he was alone, and cornered him. The samurai held his katana aloft, poised to strike the final blow, when the warlord, utterly defeated, spit in the face of the samurai. The samurai sheathed his sword and walked away, rather than kill the warlord out of anger.

Killing is the way of the warrior, like a blossom flower, a handsome way of expressing art, but gone within seconds on the battlefield when in combat. If we look at Jujutsu, Ninjutsu, Kyūsho and Iaido and Kadō. We can see that there is a point of self defence for the mental philosophy behind it.
But the techniques are all lethal and deadly within seconds. The way of bushido is all about: if you want to use a technique in her full potential or not.. Designed to kill, used to the situation that is required. Adaptation can be found in the eight rules of samurai.

Small reminder in case for the people who do not know, Kadō is the art of flower arranging, used in bushido to teach the beauty of live that can be gone after creating the inner weapon. It becomes more and more until it is complete and looks very good. After a short time it is gone..

Kadō is understanding the true essence of bushido. Try to understand that part and understand that bushido is killing, within adaptation of techniques required to the situation.

I'm sorry that you feel that way. I see why you think that way, but all I have to say in reply is to give you the words of the great Master.

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That said, I do understand where you come from, but all the great masters disagree with you. Master Yip of Wing chun. Master Bruce Lee of water.. and so many others..

To take your enemy down in a fight as quickly as possible does not mean to kill. It is a mercy to end any fight quickly. As a student yourself you are also in the same boat as me, though with different understandings of the arts. It falls upon us to prevent slaughter. It is our place to protect those around us.

For instance. I would kill to protect my family, my lovely lady friend, and her family. But even so, how much damage would it do to the mind of anyone to see someone killed right in front of them? You have to adapt to the situation at hand. Killing is but one way of ending it. Bushido is not just about killing. Bushido is so much more than that.
Killing should always be the very last resort. Life is sacred and belongs to all. To hurt another is to hurt yourself.

I apologize for the length. I hope this helped to bring clarity to the conversation.

I agree with you that it could be used that way. But protecting by cutting of limbs and protrude out the eyes. The art of the warrior knows multiple ways, Kung fu, Aikido, Tai chi.. even other styles are known for their calm and noble goals.

But in the end they all use violence. No matter the purpose and goals in their style. Why using violence? Why learning violence? Is it worth to bring harm so you can have your love and peace? I shall not say that it is selfishness, nor shall i say that you should not do it.

Marterial arts as the art of love and peace... Combine violence with emotions will bring misunderstanding of your own emotions and actions. May the force be with you.

It depends on what you're looking for.
Parkour is the best martial art, because you should always run away from a fight whenever you can!
Judo is the best martial art because you can toss them and then run away!
Tai Chi is the best martial art because if someone attacks you, you can easily offset their balance!
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is the best martial art because choking your opponent out is generally safer than punching them out!
Boxing is the best martial art because it has the best punches!
Etc.

If you want to become a fighting machine, just study all of them.
But for the fitness you're looking for, Chinese Wushu is more of a performance art martial art and will keep you fit and agile.

@Aqua:
You seem to think of violence as a negative thing. I can tell you that sparring matches have been some of the best fun I've had, and that is a violent act. I think that when it comes to violence, intention is important to understand and is a major part of the moral evaluation of the violent act.

parkour would be a really cool place to start, sure

the first condition of being an effective fighter is fitness and the next is the confidence to go one hundred with whatever youre doing, and parkour would help develop both
i would say those are maybe more important than anything else - having those you have a chance of winning even if your technique isnt great, but if youre out of shape and timid then your technique might never even have a chance to work

BOXING

my opinion about self defense is that boxing is the best place to start FOR MOST PEOPLE

reasons

1) every boxing program is going to get you fit (you may have to take responsibility for your own self motivation at first because trainers like to work with people who are actually fighting
so as a newbie, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU TRAIN, you may be somewhat on your own for a while

but you will have access to the information and equipment that you need to move forward and people will be watching and if you stick with it they tend to appear when youre ready, generally

2) youll learn how to move and control distance

from a certain perspective, boxing is more about your feet (and then your core) than it is about your hands

unless youre like three times taller than the other person, if they have good footwork and good head movement and you dont, theyll get the better end of things

with just being fit and able to move around well youll have a huge advantage over about half to two thirds of the guys you see out and about (with some conditions; weight classes exist for a reason and experience is better than enthusiasm as a general rule)

you get this with kickboxing too, PLUS you get kicks, so you might wonder why i suggest boxing and not kickboxing to begin with - simple - BECAUSE there are no kicks!

this is probably going to be a long post regardless so i wont say too much on the issue of kicks in a SD situation except that

3) generally speaking hands are more intuitive and comfortable, and therfore it is faster to get effective with your hands

and

4) because you *only hit with your hands, there is much less to learn but its still very effective for self defense

and if youre training footwork well, you should find that your punching gets better pretty much in time with your moving around

and punching works!

and once you get some basic foundations set you will be able to spar

in a boxing gym, the word "sparring" might throw you off if youre from a traditional MA - there is "light contact" sparring, but,

5) when you spar in boxing you are hitting and getting hit, and this it will toughen you into someone who can handle the physicality of fighting

you do NOT get that kind of sparring in very many tma dojo (here in the states)

everyones pace is different
when a youre fit and you move decent and your punches are crisp, thats when i would say to open it up with kickboxing

KICKBOXING

muay thai and american kick boxing and french savate are all very good kickbox systems - savate does not use clinch work which is too bad because otherwise its really great

boxing will introduce you to clinch work, kick boxing will teach you how to make it really dangerous

this point i would say its also time to get into

GRAPPLING

at least learn the basics of staying on your feet, changing position if you do go to ground and then how to get back up

for submissions i would say learn a couple chokes, a couple arm bars and shoulder locks and a couple wrist locks and wrist compressions and maybe one or two leg or ankle locks

some people dont have the body type to be as mobile or quite as crisp with striking - theyre more like bears or boars and theyll do better to charge in and grab a hold

for these guys its better to start with the submission systems and then go to the striking imo

whats really going to be important is your mindset regardless of what or where you train

when you get in to grappling youre going to find a bunch of choices

IMO the order goes
japanese jujutsu and aiki jujutsu and korean hapkido all make up a group
and and then catch wrestling, followed by sambo and then and then judo and then bjj after that aikido

bjj gets all the good press because of its effectiveness on the ground

and it is arguably the best system for ground fighting

but HAVING to go to ground is not good imo- yes it teaches some stand up - but stand up is where the other systems are all better

still, all of those are good in their own right - but -its important to remember that (except for most aikdo) these systems all have competitions in which other systems are not allowed to participate - and so much of the training is not geared specifically to SD but rather to competition against others who will be using the same tactics

bjj and catch wrestling and i think sambo as well have MMA and SD mini communities which are quite good

this does make a difference in certain ways - more or less depending on where you train and how you train

but any training is theoretically better than no training

most aikido does not compete, but there is something which i think began with tomiki aikido where they have a competition based on a knife attack - one guy gets a wooden tanto and tries to stab the other guy in the chest

if you do two web searches - one on aikido knife tournaments and one on real life knife attacks (not that its strictly necessary or appropriate for everyone to see that right away) what you find is that they look absolutely nothing alike

which brings me to my problem with

AIKIDO

aikido has got perfectly valid techniques for dealing with knife attacks and pretty much any attack that involves someone putting their hands near you

theres even some kick defense although its not a lot

but very few aikido dojo actually train to be able to fight

this is the importance of competition

judo is a good example of a martial art which is more sport oriented than sd oriented and as a consequence has a fair share of stuff thats really not too good from SD side of things - and yet -because the techniques do actually work and because they train to really use them against someone who wontplay along, someone with good judo background will be able to handle themself just fine in most sd instances (especially if they have cross trained in boxing or kb)

whereas there are maybe thousands of aikido black belts who would not be able to protect themselves from anyone on the offensive line at the average american high school

most people, including most aikidoka, dont actually understand the concept of AIKI as it distinguished itself in aiki-jujutsu

we have the flowery sort of "way of harmony" ideas and the "mystical ki energy" ideas which have been really exaggerated by westerners

O'sensei was very well responsible for the beginning of this but there is the hugely significant cultural movement of japanese expansionism and what we think of as WW2

as well as O'sensei's personal life experience and ties to shinto that all worked together to make the context for his aikido
and which to a great extent is totally overlooked in how we in the west understand it

ki in aikido is really not the same as chi in tai chi -or it wasnt, originally

imo aikido is great if you find a good dojo
but that is a challenge; i willsay i am impressed with "tenshin" aikido

but no matter what you do you have to take responsibility for your own training

KRAV MAGA
is an excellent system for S.D. and for fitness -its really one of the best imo

PANKRATION

less well known is pankration, modelled after the system used by the ancient greeks

which is one of the first systems which we would recognize as "MMA"

its not widely known but it was highly influencial in opening peoples minds to the concept of mixed martial arts

CAPOEIRA

capoiera is great for fitness and awesomeness - it looks super cool and carves your body into something powerful, fast and limber, and some of thekicks are absolutely devastating

much the same for wushu in general, as has been mentioned

KUNG FU AND QIGONG

shaolin kung fu has a lot of actual competetive fighters as well as having a deep philosophical perspective

its pretty much par for the course to do qigong energy and breath work if you study shaolin

and qigong and tai chi are definitely good for general health and mental focus and since they are CHI based systems, if you belive in energy work (which i do) then these are definitely things to look at

NINJA

ninjutsu is a system which is vulnerable to a lot of b.s. but has some really good stuff if you dont get pulled in to thejibberish

i wasnt really impressed with hatsumi sensei, in all honesty,but steven k hayes did serve for a while as security adviser for the dalai lama and hes a smart guy so theres merit there

AKBAN NINJA

for anyone interested in ninjutsu i specifically recommend looking into AKBAN (yosi sherrif is probably the most well known name)
those guys are doing some good stuff

theres russian systema - im not really impressed for the most part - i think sambo is way way better

but
systema is advocating that it has fresh insight into ways of striking - one example is what they call "the wave" - which is worth keeping up with

just dont buy anything from them (imo)

KOREAN ARTS

the first time i heard the term "mcdojo" it was in reference to taikwondo, which had developed a reputation as pretty much being a day care that gave out black belts for good behavior

that being said - tkd was the first art i was ever involved in and i was fortunate to go to a really good dojo and the founation i got there has masted a lifetime

tkd does with kicking what boxers do with punching

look up tkd knockouts if youre unsure

HAPKIDO
hapkido is pretty impressive grappling/striking system which is essentially a fusion of akijujutsu and korean kicking philosophy

and many tkd dojo also train hapkido

there are a couple other korean arts like tang soo do and kuk sool won which have some following outside of korea but i couldnt venture an opinion on how effective they would be except to say that korean arts arts are pretty damn good from what ive seen so long as you take the training seriously

FILLIPINO ARTS

like kali, escrima, arnis are weapon arts

they have empty hand techniques but they are weapon based systems and its important to understand that when you watch them

they are good lol

fillipinos probably have the most well developed knife fighting techniques in the world and possibly the best "rope" style flexible weapon techniques

by extension they also have very good knife counter techniques


BRUCE LEE

jeet kune do was the system developed originally by bruce lee and refined by dan inosanto who had a wide range ofmartial background, including phillipino arts

lee was originally a wing chun practitioner but he was one of the very first really well known people to promote the idea of mixed martial arts - which is basically what jeet kune do was intended as

"absorb what is useful, discard what is not, add what is uniquely your own"

its got a strong wing chun influence but there are a lot of other influences as well

one thing jkd did to really contribute to M.A. was to coin the term "alive" as a method of training

to train ALIVE means to train in a way that is as realistic as safety will allow

one thing i can tell you about jkd people is that they are always fit

im sure it exists but i have never seen an out of shape looking jkd instructor

ir even advanced students

they might be BIG - but they are big and FIT
which says a lot for the art

well, i feel like i am missing some but this is a pretty broad overview i think

sorry for the length
i hope someone gets something useful out of this cause it took FOREVER to write lol

duh i forgot karate lol
some karate styles hold full contact competitions and any time people are allowed to knock each other unconscious the results are that people learn to knock people unconscious

"karate" is perfectly fine as for self defense if you train to fight

if you train to look cool then as long as you dont ever get in a fight youll be fine

some of them are integrating grappling into their systems but none are really strong with this except for kenpo/kempo which may have aquired their locking and throwing techniques from aikijujutsu

lyoto machida is a well know karate based fighter (i think kyukushin)

MMA

mma just means mixed martial arts which is as open as it sounds

you could scour the internet for all the techniques you think are legit and put them together and there you go, youre mma

boxing, (muay thai) kick boxing, brazilian juijitsu and greco roman wrestling make up the most common mix for what usually gets taught at gyms that advertise "mma"

brazilian jui jitsu philosophy is to control POSITION
basically who is on top and who is on bottom

this is not a comprehensive analysis lol

the heart of bjj strategy is to weather the storm of their aggression safely as possible, get a superior position, achieve a submission

because of how effective bjj players are from the guard postion specifically and from ground fighting in general, imo its THE BEST style for women to protect themselves from sexual assault

its also one of the very very few styles that actually lives up to the claim that you dont have to be bigger or stronger for the techniques to work

a lot of styles say that but its really not true most of the time

apologies for the triple post but i felt this was important to add

corrections; spelling is taekwondo not taikwondo and korean arts usually refer to their place of training as dojang not dojo

since im writing this i may as well add

krav maga is really good for weapon disarms

"combat jujutsu" is awesome AND amazing and most things are neither so thats good

capoeira also gets you ready to hit the clubs with some funky dance moves and there is a community of capoeirists who are fighting full contact events

even though i think sd is best for most to start with boxing, if i had to choose between a striking system and a grappling system and there was no integration (except for what the system itself taught) ultimately i would choose a grappling system

pankration is probably the best "mma" system because historical pankration is very very fragmented

most of the original greek techniques and training was lost

so jim arvantis, when he basically invented modern pankration (late 60s/early70s), borrowed heavily from other styles and effectively developed "MMA" into a single system - "MMA" would not be what it is today without Arvantis

his original background was greco roman wrestling, western boxing, french savate, and judo

so basically he was mma before mma existed

As a general rule I try to stay out of these discussions, but this one has dragged on and on for quite a while now.

There is no best martial art. The problems people have with any art of this nature, lies within their own understanding of the arts. The art is not the problem, the way they use it is. The amount of training they actually put into it is. It doesn't matter if you have a blackbelt in any of these systems of fighting, if you don't actually know how to defend yourself. There is a huge differemce between a mat and a bunch of rules designed to keep people safe, and an actual fight. I'm worthless on a mat in a tournament, but I can hold my own and often protect myself out on the streets better than most people who have any kind of rank in any system.

You can always learn from everyone, on any thing, and when it comes to fighting, the whole reason for martial arts, is to not fight.

That is the ultimate aim of the study of these arts.

~Calanon

Calanon wrote: As a general rule I try to stay out of these discussions, but this one has dragged on and on for quite a while now.

There is no best martial art. The problems people have with any art of this nature, lies within their own understanding of the arts. The art is not the problem, the way they use it is. The amount of training they actually put into it is. It doesn't matter if you have a blackbelt in any of these systems of fighting, if you don't actually know how to defend yourself. There is a huge differemce between a mat and a bunch of rules designed to keep people safe, and an actual fight. I'm worthless on a mat in a tournament, but I can hold my own and often protect myself out on the streets better than most people who have any kind of rank in any system.

You can always learn from everyone, on any thing, and when it comes to fighting, the whole reason for martial arts, is to not fight.

That is the ultimate aim of the study of these arts.

~Calanon

If I may be so free, why would someone learn marterial arts, if he/she is learning to never use it? It sounds like a contradiction. I feel confused.. :blush:

Aqua wrote:

Calanon wrote: As a general rule I try to stay out of these discussions, but this one has dragged on and on for quite a while now.

There is no best martial art. The problems people have with any art of this nature, lies within their own understanding of the arts. The art is not the problem, the way they use it is. The amount of training they actually put into it is. It doesn't matter if you have a blackbelt in any of these systems of fighting, if you don't actually know how to defend yourself. There is a huge differemce between a mat and a bunch of rules designed to keep people safe, and an actual fight. I'm worthless on a mat in a tournament, but I can hold my own and often protect myself out on the streets better than most people who have any kind of rank in any system.

You can always learn from everyone, on any thing, and when it comes to fighting, the whole reason for martial arts, is to not fight.

That is the ultimate aim of the study of these arts.

~Calanon

If I may be so free, why would someone learn marterial arts, if he/she is learning to never use it? It sounds like a contradiction. I feel confused.. :blush:

All the founders of the arts taught them as a method to keep peace. They train to reach the point where they don't have to fight. They are taught for self discipline, self respect, respect of others, health, etc..

I do not take pride in my ability to be violent. I'm really good at it. But The only reason I have ever felt the need to use it is for defense of myself and my family. I abhor violence, and wish for peace, but you can't just have peace by avoiding violence. Sometimes you have to use it. It is a sad day when you have to. But sometimes it is necessary.
Read The Art of Peace by Morihei Ueshiba.

Aqua wrote:

Calanon wrote: If I may be so free, why would someone learn marterial arts, if he/she is learning to never use it? It sounds like a contradiction. I feel confused.. :blush:

i train because i want to
because i like it
maybe my liking it and doing it is a result of who i am, but who i am is also a result of liking and doing it

i dont hope never to use the things that i learn - i train with the understanding that there are probably still moments ahead where it will fall on me to use what i train

for myself or someone else
and my hope is that i dont back down or fall short in some way

someone - i cant remember who - has a sig that says something like "the brave men didnt kill the dragons, the brave men rode them"

im riding one of my dragons

Calanon wrote:

Aqua wrote:

Calanon wrote: As a general rule I try to stay out of these discussions, but this one has dragged on and on for quite a while now.

There is no best martial art. The problems people have with any art of this nature, lies within their own understanding of the arts. The art is not the problem, the way they use it is. The amount of training they actually put into it is. It doesn't matter if you have a blackbelt in any of these systems of fighting, if you don't actually know how to defend yourself. There is a huge differemce between a mat and a bunch of rules designed to keep people safe, and an actual fight. I'm worthless on a mat in a tournament, but I can hold my own and often protect myself out on the streets better than most people who have any kind of rank in any system.

You can always learn from everyone, on any thing, and when it comes to fighting, the whole reason for martial arts, is to not fight.

That is the ultimate aim of the study of these arts.

~Calanon

If I may be so free, why would someone learn marterial arts, if he/she is learning to never use it? It sounds like a contradiction. I feel confused.. :blush:

All the founders of the arts taught them as a method to keep peace. They train to reach the point where they don't have to fight. They are taught for self discipline, self respect, respect of others, health, etc..

I do not take pride in my ability to be violent. I'm really good at it. But The only reason I have ever felt the need to use it is for defense of myself and my family. I abhor violence, and wish for peace, but you can't just have peace by avoiding violence. Sometimes you have to use it. It is a sad day when you have to. But sometimes it is necessary.
Read The Art of Peace by Morihei Ueshiba.

I have trained for many years in several arts of budo and kobudo, but the more I learned the more emotional I developed.. I do not wish to fight or hit anyone ever again. Fighting gives me not so happy feelings, makes me a feeling like hurting people for selfish reasons.
I have respect for you that you are capable to do it, not every person is the same. And I guess the world needs a little bit of everything..

Thank you for your explanation.

taekwondo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPVuC6ugmAw