2020 Protests

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3 years 5 months ago #352394 by
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I will say this. Do I personally agree with the concept of using violence to achieve one's goals? No. HOWEVER, do I understand why and what drove us to this point and do I understand that what happened was BEYOND morally wrong and SOMETHING, preferably the officer(s) involved being arrested, needs to be done to rectify this atrocity? AB. SOLE. LUTELY.

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3 years 5 months ago #352397 by Adder
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Yea if they want to start fires and send a cloud over society all while causing actual civil disruption, then peaceful protests and the creation and management of burning roadblocks is the best bet.... as the looting and anti-Police aggression is counter-productive to their cause IMO.

Burning roadblocks can be numerous, effective, controlled, sustained and have the same disruptive impact without the risk of disenfranchising supporters or escalating the issues beyond its intended scope. To go from peaceful protests to outright anarchy is a bit silly, but they seem a bit young so that makes sense I guess. Shame that in places those over the top actions are undermining their message. IMO.

As to the issue, I'd need to see the whole video from start to end and know why the Officer thinks he had to do that, and consider other influencing factors. I get it was a big guy, but surely they have techniques to control that don't require choking someone out.
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3 years 5 months ago #352398 by Kohadre
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Adder wrote: As to the issue, I'd need to see the whole video from start to end and know why the Officer thinks he had to do that, and consider other influencing factors. I get it was a big guy, but surely they have techniques to control that don't require choking someone out.


Judging by the grin on his face within the video mentioned, I don't think "had" really had much to do with what transpired. At some point, the officer(s) decided that he (they) wanted to kill Floyd, and proceeded to do exactly that; understanding that bystanders had neither the legal capacity to intervene, nor the adequate weaponry to do so in match to the fully loaded sidearm present on each officer.

The police forces nationwide have, at the time of this counting; murdered a reported 1093 individuals. This compares to the currently counted 532 victims which have died as an outcome of mass shootings.

For quick math, police have killed over twice the number of Americans that have been killed in mass shootings.

They want to, they can, and so they do.
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3 years 5 months ago #352399 by Rosalyn J
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I think there is (in general) this idea that there are two sides to every story. Which may be the case. It's just that George Floyd doesn't get to tell his story, and neither do the countless others that have died at the hands of police.

In my job we are trained in de-escalating. We are not allowed to put our hands on a client. We who are without lethal power have that stop gap. How much more should officers be trained in and use de-escalation?
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3 years 5 months ago - 3 years 5 months ago #352403 by
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The one question I always have, and could be due to simple ignorance, is what should we do? With this as the example, what do the protestors want us to do? I know the cop in question was arrested, please correct me if I am wrong, but what do they want beyond that? If anything? I am hoping it will deescalate with the cops arrest, as that is something that I definitely think was 1000% warranted.

EDIT: For clarification I mean more so in what can we do. I am not the greatest at phrasing questions, but with that in mind do they want a law passed to prevent this? If so, what and how would it be enforced? There are so many questions I hope get answered when this is over or at least more civil.
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3 years 5 months ago - 3 years 5 months ago #352404 by Adder
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Saw an interview yesterday by a Australian reporter to a protester there, and that was asked... the answer was a prosecution was wanted, as charges are often laid but only slaps on wrists given (apparently).

The obvious issue with that is due process takes time, but that detail gets segwayed by the other narratives around this sensitive topic. Next thing you know its all Police are racist warmongers and they're out to kill you so lets burn everything down and kick heads in as if its a solution to the problem, and as if that was the problem to begin with. The whole starting fires to distract from the match, because the match is either not big enough or burns too slow, for the desired purpose.

Obviously not helped when even the prosecutions take a long time, or don't happen! The main go-to seems to be that cultural racism still exists and some sort of solution either doesn't exist or doesn't exist yet. I'm not sure these protesters are really pretending to have an answer though for what they see as the problem, but rather appealing to those who can do something about (at any level) to ensure they do do something about it, from the individual up. Unfortunately I'm not sure those that don't, will see this as anything more than justification for their own entrenched bigotry, so it seem's a little off the mark... but perhaps it still has usefulness!? Worth a shot so long as no-one gets hurt, no pun intended.
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