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2020 Protests
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Burning roadblocks can be numerous, effective, controlled, sustained and have the same disruptive impact without the risk of disenfranchising supporters or escalating the issues beyond its intended scope. To go from peaceful protests to outright anarchy is a bit silly, but they seem a bit young so that makes sense I guess. Shame that in places those over the top actions are undermining their message. IMO.
As to the issue, I'd need to see the whole video from start to end and know why the Officer thinks he had to do that, and consider other influencing factors. I get it was a big guy, but surely they have techniques to control that don't require choking someone out.
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Adder wrote: As to the issue, I'd need to see the whole video from start to end and know why the Officer thinks he had to do that, and consider other influencing factors. I get it was a big guy, but surely they have techniques to control that don't require choking someone out.
Judging by the grin on his face within the video mentioned, I don't think "had" really had much to do with what transpired. At some point, the officer(s) decided that he (they) wanted to kill Floyd, and proceeded to do exactly that; understanding that bystanders had neither the legal capacity to intervene, nor the adequate weaponry to do so in match to the fully loaded sidearm present on each officer.
The police forces nationwide have, at the time of this counting; murdered a reported 1093 individuals. This compares to the currently counted 532 victims which have died as an outcome of mass shootings.
For quick math, police have killed over twice the number of Americans that have been killed in mass shootings.
They want to, they can, and so they do.
So long and thanks for all the fish
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In my job we are trained in de-escalating. We are not allowed to put our hands on a client. We who are without lethal power have that stop gap. How much more should officers be trained in and use de-escalation?
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EDIT: For clarification I mean more so in what can we do. I am not the greatest at phrasing questions, but with that in mind do they want a law passed to prevent this? If so, what and how would it be enforced? There are so many questions I hope get answered when this is over or at least more civil.
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The obvious issue with that is due process takes time, but that detail gets segwayed by the other narratives around this sensitive topic. Next thing you know its all Police are racist warmongers and they're out to kill you so lets burn everything down and kick heads in as if its a solution to the problem, and as if that was the problem to begin with. The whole starting fires to distract from the match, because the match is either not big enough or burns too slow, for the desired purpose.
Obviously not helped when even the prosecutions take a long time, or don't happen! The main go-to seems to be that cultural racism still exists and some sort of solution either doesn't exist or doesn't exist yet. I'm not sure these protesters are really pretending to have an answer though for what they see as the problem, but rather appealing to those who can do something about (at any level) to ensure they do do something about it, from the individual up. Unfortunately I'm not sure those that don't, will see this as anything more than justification for their own entrenched bigotry, so it seem's a little off the mark... but perhaps it still has usefulness!? Worth a shot so long as no-one gets hurt, no pun intended.
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White privilege is real.
I have privilege as a White person because I can do all of these things without thinking twice about it...
I can go jogging (#AmaudArbery).
I can relax in the comfort of my own home (#BothemSean and #AtatianaJefferson).
I can ask for help after being in a car crash (#JonathanFerrell and #RenishaMcBride).
I can have a cellphone (#StephonClark).
I can leave a party to get to safety (#JordanEdwards).
I can play loud music (#JordanDavis).
I can sell CD's (#AltonSterling).
I can sleep (#AiyanaJones)
I can walk from the corner store (#MikeBrown).
I can play cops and robbers (#TamirRice).
I can go to church (#Charleston9).
I can walk home with Skittles (#TrayvonMartin).
I can hold a hair brush while leaving my own bachelor party (#SeanBell).
I can party on New Years (#OscarGrant).
I can get a normal traffic ticket (#SandraBland).
I can lawfully carry a weapon (#PhilandoCastile).
I can break down on a public road with car problems (#CoreyJones).
I can shop at Walmart (#JohnCrawford) .
I can have a disabled vehicle (#TerrenceCrutcher).
I can read a book in my own car (#KeithScott).
I can be a 10yr old walking with our grandfather (#CliffordGlover).
I can decorate for a party (#ClaudeReese).
I can ask a cop a question (#RandyEvans).
I can cash a check in peace (#YvonneSmallwood).
I can take out my wallet (#AmadouDiallo).
I can run (#WalterScott).
I can breathe (#EricGarner).
I can live (#FreddieGray).
I can ask someone to put a leash on their dog when it is required in the public park we are in (#ChristianCooper).
I CAN BE ARRESTED WITHOUT THE FEAR OF BEING MURDERED. #GeorgeFloyd
White privilege is real. Recognize yours. Take time to consider a Black person’s experience today and every day. Find out what you can do to help! This is a start.
The frustrating thing about this is not that it has happened. But that this happens with such regularity, with aquitals, with slaps on the wrist, with not even going to trial, that it produces helplessness, feelings of powerlessness.
If you'll look here at the chart at this link, this is a timeline of African American history in America
https://images.app.goo.gl/PeB89jveDL5hCxw4A
I'm not really asking you to look at it from the perspective of an African American. Consider that for all those years the following ideas have been conditioned in our society concerning us:
We are three-fifths of a person: : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Fifths_Compromise (colloquially 3/5ths of a person)
We have no right which white men are bound to respect: http://bostonreview.net/law-justice/walter-johnson-no-rights-which-white-man-bound-respect
That we are some how not a part of the human family:
See David Walker's Appeal in which he says:
https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1014&context=zeaamericanstudies"But to prove farther that the condition of the Israelites was better under the Egyptians than ours is
under the whites. I call upon the professing Christians, I call upon the philanthropist, I call upon the
very tyrant himself, to show me a page of history, either sacred or profane, on which a verse can be found,
which maintains, that the Egyptians heaped the insupportable insult upon the children of Israel, by telling them that they were not of the human family. Can
the whites deny this charge? Have they not, after having reduced us to the deplorable condition of slaves
under their feet, held us up as descending originally
from the tribes of Monkeys or Orang- Outangs?O! my
God! I appeal to every man of feeling—is not this insupportable?"
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If I had to outline my "question" per say, it would be this:
Problem (currently): shitty cop murders an innocent man.
Solution: Punish the person, or people, responsible
Now the question seems to be what else can we do beyond that legally speaking?
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I have a strong suspicion however that many people, not just black men, are losing their lives to police brutality. This protest seems like it should be a matter that all are interested in, regardless of race.
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I don’t use color any more to describe people. It helps the inside of me. If one person harmed another - consequences are expected. Should cops have gotten in trouble for not doing the right thing? Yup- sad we needed to use the “race” card and violence and receive what was due. Thar in itself makes me sad.
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