A Dark Fourth of July
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04 Jul 2022 15:22 #369129
by Br. John
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All of those are real concerns but they are not all coming from the same place. Some are from the Supreme Court Ruling and some are in The Texas Republican Party Platform. Others are from bills introduced but not yet passed and others have been suggested by candidates and legislators. There's been so much news lately with a drastic reductions of rights (not only abortion) that it's easy to get them confused.
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04 Jul 2022 15:24 - 04 Jul 2022 15:40 #369130
by Zero
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There are bills being put forward in several states to pass state laws reguarding some of those things, but nothing nationally and definitely nothing collectively. I’m sure br.John [strike](an attorney)[/strike] (paralegal) can verify that laws can’t be all smashed together in an unrelated topic (ie. Gun control and election procedures in an abortion bill)
And that last one on the list about presidents being elected by the electoral college has been federal law for decades and has absolutely nothing to do with abortion in any way.
But that’s exactly what I been talking about…..spreading misinformation and preying on peoples fear is not how we get womens rights to abortion back. All the misinformation is doing far more harm than good to the cause.
And that last one on the list about presidents being elected by the electoral college has been federal law for decades and has absolutely nothing to do with abortion in any way.
But that’s exactly what I been talking about…..spreading misinformation and preying on peoples fear is not how we get womens rights to abortion back. All the misinformation is doing far more harm than good to the cause.
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04 Jul 2022 16:48 #369136
by Diana W
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NPR: How period tracking apps and data privacy fit into a post-Roe v. Wade climate
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/10/1097482967/roe-v-wade-supreme-court-abortion-period-apps
THE GUARDIAN: Why US women are deleting their period tracking apps
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/28/why-us-woman-are-deleting-their-period-tracking-apps
VICE: Here’s What Period Tracking Apps Say They Do With Your Data
https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjkpbq/period-tracking-apps-data-privacy-safety
PROTOCOL: Period-tracking apps store users’ most private data. What will that mean in a post-Roe world?
https://www.protocol.com/policy/period-tracking-apps-abortion-laws
FLO (Period App) Policy
https://flo.health/privacy-policy#:~:text=When%20you%20use%20Flo%2C%20we,cannot%20be%20associated%20with%20you.
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/10/1097482967/roe-v-wade-supreme-court-abortion-period-apps
THE GUARDIAN: Why US women are deleting their period tracking apps
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/28/why-us-woman-are-deleting-their-period-tracking-apps
VICE: Here’s What Period Tracking Apps Say They Do With Your Data
https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjkpbq/period-tracking-apps-data-privacy-safety
PROTOCOL: Period-tracking apps store users’ most private data. What will that mean in a post-Roe world?
https://www.protocol.com/policy/period-tracking-apps-abortion-laws
FLO (Period App) Policy
https://flo.health/privacy-policy#:~:text=When%20you%20use%20Flo%2C%20we,cannot%20be%20associated%20with%20you.
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04 Jul 2022 17:02 #369137
by Diana W
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NPR: The Supreme Court could radically reshape elections for president and Congress
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/01/1109275691/the-supreme-court-could-radically-reshape-elections-for-president-and-congress
The Guardian: US supreme court case could give state politicians huge power over elections https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/30/us-supreme-court-state-elections-legislatures
Bloomberg: Supreme Court to Weigh Election-Law Overhaul in Voting-Map Case
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/supreme-court-to-weigh-election-law-overhaul-in-voting-map-case
NBC: The Supreme Court case voting rights experts say could bring 'chaos' to elections
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-case-voting-rights-experts-say-bring-chaos-elections-rcna34033
SCOTUSBLOG: Moore v. Harper
https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/moore-v-harper-2/
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/01/1109275691/the-supreme-court-could-radically-reshape-elections-for-president-and-congress
The Guardian: US supreme court case could give state politicians huge power over elections https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/30/us-supreme-court-state-elections-legislatures
Bloomberg: Supreme Court to Weigh Election-Law Overhaul in Voting-Map Case
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/supreme-court-to-weigh-election-law-overhaul-in-voting-map-case
NBC: The Supreme Court case voting rights experts say could bring 'chaos' to elections
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-case-voting-rights-experts-say-bring-chaos-elections-rcna34033
SCOTUSBLOG: Moore v. Harper
https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/moore-v-harper-2/
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04 Jul 2022 17:03 - 04 Jul 2022 17:06 #369138
by Zero
Replied by Zero on topic A Dark Fourth of July
None of those say that the government can or would use a period tracking app to confirm a pregnancy…
And again, even if they did…..it’s not illegal to get pregnant. It’s a period tracker not an abortion tracker. Not everyone who gets pregnant has an abortion. And two, it’s just a calendar, not a medical device. They only go off info you put in them. I could download the period tracker right now and put in it that I’m on my period right now….and I’m a guy. I’ll also re state that there are thousands of medical reasons for a woman to miss her period. Even changing your diet can throw your period off by weeks. Do you really think swat teams are gonna be kicking in peoples doors to arrest women who joined weight watchers and it threw there period off or stoped it for a few months.
And none of those cases u listed in your second post are about abortion. They involve supreme courts yes…..but not an all powerful national abortion bill….and most are going through state supreme courts not the federal ones.
The last thing I will add to this thread is a word or caution. Just because somone writes a newspaper or magazine article about a topic DOES NOT MAKE IT A FACT! I can show you papers written by current collage professors that say the world is flat. I Can show you newspaper articles about people being murdered who are very much alive. It was announced on a local radio station that I served in the marine corps, and you all know I was army. My point is just because someone writes about something dosnt not make it government policy or even true.
And again, even if they did…..it’s not illegal to get pregnant. It’s a period tracker not an abortion tracker. Not everyone who gets pregnant has an abortion. And two, it’s just a calendar, not a medical device. They only go off info you put in them. I could download the period tracker right now and put in it that I’m on my period right now….and I’m a guy. I’ll also re state that there are thousands of medical reasons for a woman to miss her period. Even changing your diet can throw your period off by weeks. Do you really think swat teams are gonna be kicking in peoples doors to arrest women who joined weight watchers and it threw there period off or stoped it for a few months.
And none of those cases u listed in your second post are about abortion. They involve supreme courts yes…..but not an all powerful national abortion bill….and most are going through state supreme courts not the federal ones.
The last thing I will add to this thread is a word or caution. Just because somone writes a newspaper or magazine article about a topic DOES NOT MAKE IT A FACT! I can show you papers written by current collage professors that say the world is flat. I Can show you newspaper articles about people being murdered who are very much alive. It was announced on a local radio station that I served in the marine corps, and you all know I was army. My point is just because someone writes about something dosnt not make it government policy or even true.
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“You must look deeper to find real meaning, because the meaning you find is everything.”
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My Apprentices: Kelandry
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“You must look deeper to find real meaning, because the meaning you find is everything.”
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04 Jul 2022 17:08 #369139
by RosalynJ
Replied by RosalynJ on topic A Dark Fourth of July
Zero is right
Plenty of media use scare tactics primarily because of the way the human brain works, especially in the age of social media
Click Bait is a thing
We just have to be diligent and educated
Read the TOS
And remember that HIPPA exists as well
Plenty of media use scare tactics primarily because of the way the human brain works, especially in the age of social media
Click Bait is a thing
We just have to be diligent and educated
Read the TOS
And remember that HIPPA exists as well
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04 Jul 2022 17:18 #369140
by Diana W
Replied by Diana W on topic A Dark Fourth of July
KHN: Will States Try To Ban Women From Traveling At All To Abortion-Rights States?
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/will-states-try-to-ban-women-from-traveling-at-all-to-abortion-rights-states/
Washington Post: Antiabortion lawmakers want to block patients from crossing state lines
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/29/abortion-state-lines/
WebMD: Abortion Opponents Don't Want Patients Crossing State Lines
https://www.webmd.com/women/news/20220630/abortion-opponents-dont-want-patients-crossing-state-lines
SCOTUSBLOG: Returning regulation to the states, and predictable harms to health
https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/06/returning-regulation-to-the-states-and-predictable-harms-to-health/
Fox Rothchild: The Supreme Court’s Dobbs Ruling Creates a Variety of Significant Legal Issues
https://www.foxrothschild.com/publications/the-supreme-courts-dobbs-ruling-creates-a-variety-of-significant-legal-issues
PrisonPolicy: What the end of Roe v. Wade will mean for people on probation and parole
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2022/06/30/roe/
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/will-states-try-to-ban-women-from-traveling-at-all-to-abortion-rights-states/
Washington Post: Antiabortion lawmakers want to block patients from crossing state lines
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/29/abortion-state-lines/
WebMD: Abortion Opponents Don't Want Patients Crossing State Lines
https://www.webmd.com/women/news/20220630/abortion-opponents-dont-want-patients-crossing-state-lines
SCOTUSBLOG: Returning regulation to the states, and predictable harms to health
https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/06/returning-regulation-to-the-states-and-predictable-harms-to-health/
Fox Rothchild: The Supreme Court’s Dobbs Ruling Creates a Variety of Significant Legal Issues
https://www.foxrothschild.com/publications/the-supreme-courts-dobbs-ruling-creates-a-variety-of-significant-legal-issues
PrisonPolicy: What the end of Roe v. Wade will mean for people on probation and parole
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2022/06/30/roe/
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04 Jul 2022 17:19 #369141
by Diana W
Replied by Diana W on topic A Dark Fourth of July
Fine ... whatever ...
have a nut
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04 Jul 2022 17:25 #369142
by RosalynJ
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They cannot do any of that stuff unless we let them
Which is why informed voting is so important
Don't get me wrong, when they shove all that leagalease in my mailbox my head explodes. I do try to read and make informed choices
Thank you for the articles. I'll read them
Which is why informed voting is so important
Don't get me wrong, when they shove all that leagalease in my mailbox my head explodes. I do try to read and make informed choices
Thank you for the articles. I'll read them
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04 Jul 2022 17:38 - 04 Jul 2022 17:38 #369143
by Silenus
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I'm just going to chime in here and say that police will 100% absolutely beyond any doubt take every scrap of information off of your phone that they legally can and try to use it in court. Yes, period tracking apps "require your input" but it also uses math over time to adjust its predictions to *YOU* and the accuracy of them for a large number of people can be a little scary. So yes, if they think you committed the crime of getting an abortion the following will happen:
1) They will subpoena your phone and emails and Facebook and all other platforms of communication they can figure out how to send a request to.
2) They will scour your text messages and instant messages and emails for any sign or language of pregnancy or planning for the illegal activity.
3) They will use this information in court in addition to dragging your OBGYN into court to confirm the information. Remember, the more ways they can say the exact same thing, the more likely they are to sway a jury... the whole point of going to court.
4) Anything that isn't encrypted and/or password protected is fair game. Biometrics are essentially meaningless. Court precedent currently says that if it's physical, it can be compelled, but *CURRENTLY* you cannot legally be compelled to enter in a password or code to unlock something.
So yes, there is a lot of reason to be concerned about the personal medical information you are using on your phone. Dismissing these concerns is careless at best. At the moment, it looks like straight up gaslighting. But that's just my couple cents.
1) They will subpoena your phone and emails and Facebook and all other platforms of communication they can figure out how to send a request to.
2) They will scour your text messages and instant messages and emails for any sign or language of pregnancy or planning for the illegal activity.
3) They will use this information in court in addition to dragging your OBGYN into court to confirm the information. Remember, the more ways they can say the exact same thing, the more likely they are to sway a jury... the whole point of going to court.
4) Anything that isn't encrypted and/or password protected is fair game. Biometrics are essentially meaningless. Court precedent currently says that if it's physical, it can be compelled, but *CURRENTLY* you cannot legally be compelled to enter in a password or code to unlock something.
So yes, there is a lot of reason to be concerned about the personal medical information you are using on your phone. Dismissing these concerns is careless at best. At the moment, it looks like straight up gaslighting. But that's just my couple cents.
Last edit: 04 Jul 2022 17:38 by Silenus.
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