A Dark Fourth of July

NPR: How period tracking apps and data privacy fit into a post-Roe v. Wade climate
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/10/1097482967/roe-v-wade-supreme-court-abortion-period-apps

THE GUARDIAN: Why US women are deleting their period tracking apps
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/28/why-us-woman-are-deleting-their-period-tracking-apps


VICE: Here’s What Period Tracking Apps Say They Do With Your Data
https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjkpbq/period-tracking-apps-data-privacy-safety


PROTOCOL: Period-tracking apps store users’ most private data. What will that mean in a post-Roe world?
https://www.protocol.com/policy/period-tracking-apps-abortion-laws


FLO (Period App) Policy
https://flo.health/privacy-policy#:~:text=When%20you%20use%20Flo%2C%20we,cannot%20be%20associated%20with%20you.

NPR: The Supreme Court could radically reshape elections for president and Congress
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/01/1109275691/the-supreme-court-could-radically-reshape-elections-for-president-and-congress


The Guardian: US supreme court case could give state politicians huge power over elections https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/30/us-supreme-court-state-elections-legislatures


Bloomberg: Supreme Court to Weigh Election-Law Overhaul in Voting-Map Case
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/supreme-court-to-weigh-election-law-overhaul-in-voting-map-case


NBC: The Supreme Court case voting rights experts say could bring 'chaos' to elections
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-case-voting-rights-experts-say-bring-chaos-elections-rcna34033


SCOTUSBLOG: Moore v. Harper
https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/moore-v-harper-2/

None of those say that the government can or would use a period tracking app to confirm a pregnancy…

And again, even if they did…..it’s not illegal to get pregnant. It’s a period tracker not an abortion tracker. Not everyone who gets pregnant has an abortion. And two, it’s just a calendar, not a medical device. They only go off info you put in them. I could download the period tracker right now and put in it that I’m on my period right now….and I’m a guy. I’ll also re state that there are thousands of medical reasons for a woman to miss her period. Even changing your diet can throw your period off by weeks. Do you really think swat teams are gonna be kicking in peoples doors to arrest women who joined weight watchers and it threw there period off or stoped it for a few months.

And none of those cases u listed in your second post are about abortion. They involve supreme courts yes…..but not an all powerful national abortion bill….and most are going through state supreme courts not the federal ones.

The last thing I will add to this thread is a word or caution. Just because somone writes a newspaper or magazine article about a topic DOES NOT MAKE IT A FACT! I can show you papers written by current collage professors that say the world is flat. I Can show you newspaper articles about people being murdered who are very much alive. It was announced on a local radio station that I served in the marine corps, and you all know I was army. My point is just because someone writes about something dosnt not make it government policy or even true.

Zero is right

Plenty of media use scare tactics primarily because of the way the human brain works, especially in the age of social media


Click Bait is a thing

We just have to be diligent and educated

Read the TOS

And remember that HIPPA exists as well

KHN: Will States Try To Ban Women From Traveling At All To Abortion-Rights States?
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/will-states-try-to-ban-women-from-traveling-at-all-to-abortion-rights-states/


Washington Post: Antiabortion lawmakers want to block patients from crossing state lines
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/29/abortion-state-lines/


WebMD: Abortion Opponents Don't Want Patients Crossing State Lines
https://www.webmd.com/women/news/20220630/abortion-opponents-dont-want-patients-crossing-state-lines


SCOTUSBLOG: Returning regulation to the states, and predictable harms to health
https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/06/returning-regulation-to-the-states-and-predictable-harms-to-health/


Fox Rothchild: The Supreme Court’s Dobbs Ruling Creates a Variety of Significant Legal Issues
https://www.foxrothschild.com/publications/the-supreme-courts-dobbs-ruling-creates-a-variety-of-significant-legal-issues


PrisonPolicy: What the end of Roe v. Wade will mean for people on probation and parole
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2022/06/30/roe/

Fine ... whatever ...

have a nut

They cannot do any of that stuff unless we let them

Which is why informed voting is so important

Don't get me wrong, when they shove all that leagalease in my mailbox my head explodes. I do try to read and make informed choices

Thank you for the articles. I'll read them

I'm just going to chime in here and say that police will 100% absolutely beyond any doubt take every scrap of information off of your phone that they legally can and try to use it in court. Yes, period tracking apps "require your input" but it also uses math over time to adjust its predictions to *YOU* and the accuracy of them for a large number of people can be a little scary. So yes, if they think you committed the crime of getting an abortion the following will happen:

1) They will subpoena your phone and emails and Facebook and all other platforms of communication they can figure out how to send a request to.
2) They will scour your text messages and instant messages and emails for any sign or language of pregnancy or planning for the illegal activity.
3) They will use this information in court in addition to dragging your OBGYN into court to confirm the information. Remember, the more ways they can say the exact same thing, the more likely they are to sway a jury... the whole point of going to court.
4) Anything that isn't encrypted and/or password protected is fair game. Biometrics are essentially meaningless. Court precedent currently says that if it's physical, it can be compelled, but *CURRENTLY* you cannot legally be compelled to enter in a password or code to unlock something.

So yes, there is a lot of reason to be concerned about the personal medical information you are using on your phone. Dismissing these concerns is careless at best. At the moment, it looks like straight up gaslighting. But that's just my couple cents.

America has been in a pretty bad spot for a long time now. Religious extremism has been gaining more and more ground in the country since the 80s. It's been sad to see and know that essentially nothing can be done because the system is "operating as intended." They've had since 1973 to fix it. And have done almost nothing. I have pretty much zero faith at this point in the united states taking steps to protect human rights at this point. Right now you have one party who actively works against human rights and civil liberties unless they're a very specific white, "christian*" sort of human right or civil liberty. And the other party doesn't want to actually be political, they want to be "bipartisan" and "reach across the isle" and get played for the suckers they are *EVERY TIME*. Then they turn around and Mr. Magoo it all over again the next time they get in power.

The election system at its very core is so corrupt and broken that it's a mathematical impossibility for a legitimate third party to exist without the implosion of one of the two existing parties, and at that point you just guarantee that the other side always wins.

All of the steps that need to be taken to fix and address even the most basic of problems here requires the people who benefit the most from them not changing to change them. So they fight against it because they know they can completely stall and derail everything until they cheat their way to another super majority and take every possible loophole and cut corner to cram in every last thing they can to take even more away from you in the name of their religion and corporations.

So yeah. Not a big fan. Haven't been for a long time now. And when I see someone running around with a flag wrapped around them all lovey-dovey, they deserve some of the most serious suspicion. Because more often that not it is a facade to justify the terrible ways they treat the other people around them.

* - Their views an beliefs are so incredibly unchristian that it's almost funny. if their bigotry wasn't so incredibly dangerous to everyone else around them.

Getting pregnant does not equal had an abortion. Missing your period does not equal had an abortion. Skipping a period does not equal had an abortion. Entering menopause does not equal had an abortion. Loosing your period does not equal had an abortion.

Your period is what’s tracked. Personally, I’d never store health info like that on my phone.

I guess my point is that the government has better things to do than to track 1 billion womens periods. Half of which can still perfectly leagally get an abortion whenever they want. I agree with selinus in that if they had info, yes they would use it(or try too). But there’s not ever gonna be a period tracker task force sitting around watching for who’s had there period on time this month and who hasn’t, then calling the fbi to consult your obgyn before sending the police to kick down your door.

That’s tv/movie cops that get all the details. Most cops are looking for the easiest information. All they need is a doctor to attest “she was pregnant, now she’s not.”

HIPPA isn’t a protection if the records are subpoenaed. Furthermore, if a doctor believes the patient is a threat to themselves or others (read fetus here) they can legally report them to authorities without being in violation of HIPPA.

So your real enemies are gonna be your doctor. Let’s be reasons about the situation. Your neighbor/family member might sic the authorities on you like people do in SWATTING, but it’s that doctor that’s gonna be the first nail in the coffin.

Can I ask again what is my best step as a Californian?

How can I best assist those in states that are more likely to pass abortion bans

As I said, I will be reading the articles Knight Diana W posted

What about insurance companies? Can they also be subpoenaed? If so, are we just SOL?

Ofcourse they can

There is then, much more to be afraid of, There must then be some strategy to manage this fear

Meditations are fine and Knight Ashria has graciously agreed to host one tomorrow (5 PM PST)

I'm going to be looking at practical steps as well

Found this https://www.aclu.org/news/reproductive-freedom/what-comes-next-abortion-rights-supreme-court

Any one have any thoughts about the American Civil Liberties Union or want to help me research what kind of org they are?

I found this as well

...and to take action. We need networks to assist low-income patients with funds, housing and travel to get them care. We need laws prohibiting the criminalization of miscarriages. We need donors to fund criminal defense. We need bail funds to support doctors, women and allies who are caught up in new criminal statutes. We need increased privacy protections to prevent the monitoring of social media and electronic messaging.

I got it from here:
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/abortion-laws-punishing-women-supreme-court-ended-roe-rcna36268

Diana W wrote: Fine ... whatever ...

have a nut

There is a terrible lack of privacy these days and you are correct to be cautious. People have been arrested and convicted based on Google searches and location tracking. This is not hypothetical. Loose lips sink ships.

Someone cannot tell what they do not know.

And 3 can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead.

I'd read these.

Online Privacy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/26/abortion-online-privacy/


THE FUTURE OF ABORTION IN A POST-ROE AMERICA
Inside the covert network preparing to circumvent restrictions

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/roe-v-wade-overturn-abortion-rights/629366/


Mail-Order Abortion Access Transcends State Lines https://www.verywellhealth.com/mail-order-abortion-pill-access-5272356

You guys! Ok! SO

Zero told me that Congress can make a law on abortion. So, depending on your view, here is information
https://myreps.datamade.us/ to contact your representatives

This link also has information about every sort of representative

So

Meditate...but then...write your people