Lessons of the Cave

I realize this is not a message most people want to hear, and so I am not pressing it. Take it or leave it. Agree or disagree. You are free to do, or not do, whatever you wish with it.

As far as I can see this message should have been a journal post, since it's original author apparently is not interested in coming here to discuss it.

I cannot see it's relevance to us.. so I'll be leaving it.

Interesting.

Goken wrote: I'm a little confused about the message. I'm not really sure what you and he are trying to say. For all that I did not enjoy the last message, I at least feel it was clear.

Am I the only one that doesn't get it?

You aren't the only one. It feels like it's been fed through too many translators or something.

I'm filing this as TMS: Too Much Sugar

The whole things seems, to me, like a ramble aimed at Jedi who are pure role players or attack other and things of that nature. As people like dean said, it doesn't seem to apply to us. I think it is best to just leave it be, and hope that the writer of these such things come and speak to us himself. Whether this be a journal post, a chat room discussion, or a forum. This whole using a messenger thing just isn't really working well for either side.


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Relan isn't a Role Player....As is evident in his message.

But I do have to Agree Streen. Relan needs to stop living in the past and choose his side. He can't continue to play the middle game between his choice and his dream. If he wants to continue "Helping" the community like he once did. He needs to step up and properly JOIN The community. Not sit back, point fingers, and tell us that we are wrong when he hasn't even tried to see how things have changed from what he remembers.

He has alot of hate and bitterness. I understand alot of it....But if he is going to preach Jedi...he needs to be a Jedi. Which currently he isn't by his own choice and admission. He is Christian.

I love Relan. We were friends at JEDI and I support him whole heartedly. I value the history he provides and continues to provide. But....he needs to be reminded what being part of a community is. And you Streen are the only one who can guide him.

He has alot of hate and bitterness. I understand alot of it....But if he is going to preach Jedi...he needs to be a Jedi. Which currently he isn't by his own choice and admission. He is Christian.

Owkeeh and none of these choices justify holding on to hate and bitterness, both of the Jedi and Christian doctrine actually demand that you forgive ? And i dont see the problem really there is nothing in the Jedi teachings that contradicts Yeshua Ha Mashiach teachings IMHO

Interesting variety of responses

I realize that it is hard to understand what he wants to say. For most, the context is missing. Trisskar knows what Relan went through. He had been shunned and largely unappreciated. The chances of him returning to the Jedi community are nil, as a result, despite all he accomplished.

As for living in the past, that is not the case. In my conversations with him, I've learned he largely wants to move toward the future, to abandon the Jedi "cult", as he put it. He doesn't want things to go back to the way they were, of that I can assure you.

Relan is stuck in his head. And, in the past.

Tell him to move on and perhaps he'll fill in the gaps.

Streen wrote: The chances of him returning to the Jedi community are nil, as a result, despite all he accomplished.

Then he should prolly stop telling us what to do.

Yes. I totally do get what he went through. I went through alot to. We all have....It's not an excuse to point fingers and send out messengers.

Focus on the history with me....That will give the community far far more than these messages ever will.

Trisskar wrote:

Streen wrote: The chances of him returning to the Jedi community are nil, as a result, despite all he accomplished.

Then he should prolly stop telling us what to do.

This.