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07 Jan 2013 02:19 #87866
by Alexandre Orion
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True Friends
A long time ago in TotJO there were two friends, Proteus and Alexandre, one who played the guitar skilfully and one who listened skilfully.
When Proteus played or sang about a mountain, Alexandre would say: "I can see the mountain before us."
When Proteus played about water, Alexandre would exclaim: "Here is the running stream!"
But Alexandre fell sick and died. Proteus cut the strings of his guitar and never played again. Since that time the cutting of guitar strings has always been a sign of intimate friendship.
A long time ago in TotJO there were two friends, Proteus and Alexandre, one who played the guitar skilfully and one who listened skilfully.
When Proteus played or sang about a mountain, Alexandre would say: "I can see the mountain before us."
When Proteus played about water, Alexandre would exclaim: "Here is the running stream!"
But Alexandre fell sick and died. Proteus cut the strings of his guitar and never played again. Since that time the cutting of guitar strings has always been a sign of intimate friendship.
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07 Jan 2013 05:57 - 07 Jan 2013 06:00 #87890
by J. K. Barger
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Has anyone here "passed" any koans??
How do you feel about them after? Did your practiced get amped, or did it come to a standstill? Or neither?
I am working on one myself and am still on the checking questions. Sometimes I get going on them and really "tap in to 'em", but lately i've been sucking air trying to keep up.
Any experiences?
How do you feel about them after? Did your practiced get amped, or did it come to a standstill? Or neither?
I am working on one myself and am still on the checking questions. Sometimes I get going on them and really "tap in to 'em", but lately i've been sucking air trying to keep up.
Any experiences?
The Force is with you, always.
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07 Jan 2013 06:05 #87891
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"Solar-san…" Jack started, timidly. The old witch looked up from her pipe, "…I've been reading a lot of these koans lately… I don't really get them."
'Then, you have passed.' Solar-san replied.
Jack went away and thought it over a day. Then, she came back.
"Ah! I get it all, now." She said. Solar-san shook her head.
'And now, you will truly begin to fail.'
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Has anyone here "passed" any koans??
"Solar-san…" Jack started, timidly. The old witch looked up from her pipe, "…I've been reading a lot of these koans lately… I don't really get them."
'Then, you have passed.' Solar-san replied.
Jack went away and thought it over a day. Then, she came back.
"Ah! I get it all, now." She said. Solar-san shook her head.
'And now, you will truly begin to fail.'
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07 Jan 2013 09:36 #87911
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Think of learning Jediism...
Every-Minute Zen
Zen students are with their masters at least ten years before they presume to teach others. Nan-in was visited by Tenno, who, having passed his apprenticeship, had become a teacher. The day happened to be rainy, so Tenno wore wooden clogs and carried an umbrella. After greeting him Nan-in remarked: "I suppose you left your wodden clogs in the vestibule. I want to know if your umbrella is on the right or left side of the clogs."
Tenno, confused, had no instant answer. He realized that he was unable to carry his Zen every minute. He became Nan-in's pupil, and he studied six more years to accomplish his every-minute Zen.
Every-Minute Zen
Zen students are with their masters at least ten years before they presume to teach others. Nan-in was visited by Tenno, who, having passed his apprenticeship, had become a teacher. The day happened to be rainy, so Tenno wore wooden clogs and carried an umbrella. After greeting him Nan-in remarked: "I suppose you left your wodden clogs in the vestibule. I want to know if your umbrella is on the right or left side of the clogs."
Tenno, confused, had no instant answer. He realized that he was unable to carry his Zen every minute. He became Nan-in's pupil, and he studied six more years to accomplish his every-minute Zen.
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07 Jan 2013 13:03 #87915
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A soldier named Nobushige came to Hakuin and asked, "Is there really a paradise and a hell?"
"Who are you?", asked Hakuin.
"I am a samurai.", the warrior replied.
"You, a soldier!", exclaimed Hakuin. "What kind of ruler would have you as his guard? Your face looks like that of a beggar."
Nobushige became so angry that he began to draw his sword, but Hakuin continued, "So you have a sword! Your weapon is probably much too dull to cut off my head."
As Nobushige drew his sword, Hakuin remarked, "Here open the gates of hell!"
At these words, the samurai, perceiving the master's discipline, sheathed his sword and bowed.
"Here open the gates of paradise.", said Hakuin.
"Who are you?", asked Hakuin.
"I am a samurai.", the warrior replied.
"You, a soldier!", exclaimed Hakuin. "What kind of ruler would have you as his guard? Your face looks like that of a beggar."
Nobushige became so angry that he began to draw his sword, but Hakuin continued, "So you have a sword! Your weapon is probably much too dull to cut off my head."
As Nobushige drew his sword, Hakuin remarked, "Here open the gates of hell!"
At these words, the samurai, perceiving the master's discipline, sheathed his sword and bowed.
"Here open the gates of paradise.", said Hakuin.
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07 Jan 2013 13:09 #87917
by Wescli Wardest
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Nasreddin had a leaky ferry-boat, and used it to row people across the river. One day his passenger was a fussy schoolteacher, and on the way across he decided to give Nasreddin a test and see how much he knew.
"Tell me, Nasreddin, what are eight sixes?"
"I've no idea."
"How do you spell magnificence?"
"I don't."
"Didn't you study anything at school?"
"No."
"In that case, half your life is lost."
Just then a fierce storm blew up, and the boat began to sink.
"Tell me, schoolteacher," said Nasreddin. "Did you ever learn to swim?"
"No."
"In that case, your whole life is lost."
"Tell me, Nasreddin, what are eight sixes?"
"I've no idea."
"How do you spell magnificence?"
"I don't."
"Didn't you study anything at school?"
"No."
"In that case, half your life is lost."
Just then a fierce storm blew up, and the boat began to sink.
"Tell me, schoolteacher," said Nasreddin. "Did you ever learn to swim?"
"No."
"In that case, your whole life is lost."
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07 Jan 2013 13:33 #87921
by Wescli Wardest
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A Shorter Line
One day Akkarin drew a line with his hand on the floor of the open court and told his apprentices that if they wanted to keep heir positions they must make the line shorter without touching any part of it.
Apprentice after apprentice approached and stood staring at the puzzle, but they were unable to solve the problem.
After watching a while, Jestor stepped forward and drew a longer line next to the first one, without touching the first line.
Everyone look at it and agreed. The first line was definitely shorter.
One day Akkarin drew a line with his hand on the floor of the open court and told his apprentices that if they wanted to keep heir positions they must make the line shorter without touching any part of it.
Apprentice after apprentice approached and stood staring at the puzzle, but they were unable to solve the problem.
After watching a while, Jestor stepped forward and drew a longer line next to the first one, without touching the first line.
Everyone look at it and agreed. The first line was definitely shorter.
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07 Jan 2013 14:03 #87924
by Wescli Wardest
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Tanzen and Ekido were once travelling together down a muddy road. A heavy rain was still falling.
Coming around the bend, they met a lovely girl in a silk kimono and sash, unable to cross the intersection.
"Come on girl", said Tanzen at once. Lifting her in his arms, he carried her over the mud.
Ekido did not speak again until that night when they reached a lodging temple. Then he no longer could restrain himself. "We monks don't go near females," he told Tanzen, "especially not young and lovely ones. It is dangerous. Why did you do that?"
"I left the girl there," said Tanzen. "Are you still carrying her?"
Coming around the bend, they met a lovely girl in a silk kimono and sash, unable to cross the intersection.
"Come on girl", said Tanzen at once. Lifting her in his arms, he carried her over the mud.
Ekido did not speak again until that night when they reached a lodging temple. Then he no longer could restrain himself. "We monks don't go near females," he told Tanzen, "especially not young and lovely ones. It is dangerous. Why did you do that?"
"I left the girl there," said Tanzen. "Are you still carrying her?"
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07 Jan 2013 14:21 #87925
by Wescli Wardest
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A Jedi Initiate was told to go on a long journey to another temple. He was much upset, because he felt that this trip would interrupt his studies for a long time. So he said to his friend, a Jedi Apprentice:
"Please ask permission to come with me on the trip. There are so many things I do not know; but if you come along we can discuss them - in this way I can learn as we travel."
"All right," said the Apprentice. "But let me ask you a question: If you are hungry, what satisfaction to you if I eat rice? If your feet are lame, what comfort to you if I go on merrily? If your bladder is full, what relief to you if I piss?"
"Please ask permission to come with me on the trip. There are so many things I do not know; but if you come along we can discuss them - in this way I can learn as we travel."
"All right," said the Apprentice. "But let me ask you a question: If you are hungry, what satisfaction to you if I eat rice? If your feet are lame, what comfort to you if I go on merrily? If your bladder is full, what relief to you if I piss?"
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07 Jan 2013 16:10 - 07 Jan 2013 16:12 #87945
by MCSH
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Clerical Rank: Licensed Minister
While searching for an ancient book, ren found a great gem in Temple's library. He took it for himself, and was very proud of it. But the ring wasn't complete yet, some words needed to be written on it.
He was looking for something unique to write on that gem, so he announced "I'll give temple's treasure map, to the person who say something that, make me happy when I'm sad, and make me sad when I'm happy. But if someone try something, and it wasn't the way I wanted, I'll ban him immediately"
Many people tried to get the map, no one could say such a word, so ren banned almost half of temple's members. Then, master Jestor came in, and said "This, will pass too."
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don't even know if this is a Koan...
Just translated and changed name of one of old real stories
He was looking for something unique to write on that gem, so he announced "I'll give temple's treasure map, to the person who say something that, make me happy when I'm sad, and make me sad when I'm happy. But if someone try something, and it wasn't the way I wanted, I'll ban him immediately"
Many people tried to get the map, no one could say such a word, so ren banned almost half of temple's members. Then, master Jestor came in, and said "This, will pass too."
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don't even know if this is a Koan...

Master: Wescli Wardest
Clerical Mentor : Master Jestor
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Clerical Rank: Licensed Minister
Last edit: 07 Jan 2013 16:12 by MCSH.
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