Whatever Happened to the Knights?

Thanks Barger. I too understand the importance of Offline Jedi-ing, given my 18 month hiatus. It also wan't a criticism of the knights, I've argued in support of them plenty in the past, just a query

Honestly why I didn't continue pursuing my knighthood here. I couldn't make an honest commitment of time.

I am just bumping this because I believe this is a discussion worth having, and do not want to see it fall to the wayside.

I'm not here because the rest of the membership has decided to allow this place to descend into chaos, and it no longer enriches my life. If that changes, I'll become active again, but until people are willing to let me help, all I'm doing is spinning my wheels here.

Wait. How many Knights are there? I thought the site had maybe 10. I've only seen like 3 post anything... granted I've only been here for a day and a half now.

One of the ... pros and cons of a international self paced honor system type of Temple is at any given time there can be two or 20 present or none. Internationally- not every one CAN be present on the same schedule. Some go for week some go per month some go longer as far as logging on. It’s a huge mix of availability and dedications some times. Balance is hard on time some times.

@Brian Also you mentioned this topic about "to be focus" on: the spiritual/faith side of things.

Then, Which spiritual aspect would you like to evoke?

Random edge: If my spiritual vision could be a personal relation in my inner and external world, then:
How can Jediism can be applied to gain strength to create goals into reality? Would you like to create a thread around?

May the Focus be with Us

.

steamboat28 wrote: I'm not here because the rest of the membership has decided to allow this place to descend into chaos, and it no longer enriches my life. If that changes, I'll become active again, but until people are willing to let me help, all I'm doing is spinning my wheels here.

Steam, I am asking this in the most direct way I can so if it comes off offensive please let me know, I'm not trying to be a jerk. How in your eyes has it descended into chaos? How do we change that? And would it be helpful if a few knights such as yourself that feel this way were to grab on to and help guide some of the discussions away from the chaotic path they seem to take? Isn't that what we are supposed to be doing as Jedi? Aren't many things only as enriching as we make them?

Much Love, Respect and Peace,
Kobos

Kobos wrote: How in your eyes has it descended into chaos? How do we change that?

Banned members are having their punishments ignored so they can traipse around the entire forum, sowing discontent and spewing hatred. Knights abandoned their posts (myself included) for various reasons. The Council makes decisions slowly, then doesn't stick with them, and rarely listens to the desires of the membership. Certain other members are consistently problematic in that they refuse to abide by the rules of this space or the doctrine posted at the door, and yet are welcomed here above members who do follow the rules and uphold doctrine as stated. Many among the membership trade only in "wizened, mystical" nonsense that doesn't even have koan-like depth. Things like that.

Kobos wrote: And would it be helpful if a few knights such as yourself that feel this way were to grab on to and help guide some of the discussions away from the chaotic path they seem to take? Isn't that what we are supposed to be doing as Jedi? Aren't many things only as enriching as we make them?

Y'know, I'm gonna second what was said earlier--nobody listens. Nobody has ever, in the whole history of me calling this crap out for at least seven years, listened to me in any real, meaningful way. No matter how loud or soft, no matter how pleasant or angry, no matter how passionate or logical, I get ignored.

And after so many years of that, you just stop trying to change anything because you know it's wasted effort.

steamboat28 wrote: [
Banned members are having their punishments ignored so they can traipse around the entire forum, sowing discontent and spewing hatred.

I can absolutely understand this sentiment, I know personally in my mind one individual that in light of recent event should be welcomed back but the choice is not mine to make. As for the spewing hate part I for sure see this too, but shouldn't we try to respond with logical love? Would conversation work to undo the spread of this hate? As I write this one of those that we may consider a source of is busy shooting themselves in the foot on the level of having any one take them seriously.

Kobos wrote: And would it be helpful if a few knights such as yourself that feel this way were to grab on to and help guide some of the discussions away from the chaotic path they seem to take? Isn't that what we are supposed to be doing as Jedi? Aren't many things only as enriching as we make them?

Y'know, I'm gonna second what was said earlier--nobody listens. Nobody has ever, in the whole history of me calling this crap out for at least seven years, listened to me in any real, meaningful way. No matter how loud or soft, no matter how pleasant or angry, no matter how passionate or logical, I get ignored.

And after so many years of that, you just stop trying to change anything because you know it's wasted effort.

I can also see this for sure. It's huge for I think any member who has been here for a while. Can something be done here?I know I have personally felt the burn out from my perspective because we feel like we are fighting the tide of what we dislike on our own.
How do we work together on this, can we?

Thank you for you're honest answers!
Much Love,
Kobos