Downloading Coursework for Initiates

Will do, are you still in NZ, or are you in the states?

In NZ

sidenote: should we start a separate topic for discussion of the torrent idea for the future?

I don't know about this....

Torrents, I mean...

Really, as Ren is our Librarian, he should be here speaking, lol...

I don't see anything wrong with this thread being used for this discussion...

In the BitTorrent file distribution system, a torrent file is a computer file that contains metadata about files and folders to be distributed, and usually also a list of the network locations of trackers, which are computers that help participants in the system find each other and form efficient distribution groups called swarms. A torrent file does not contain the content to be distributed; it only contains information about those files, such as their names, sizes, folder structure, and cryptographic hash values for verifying file integrity. Depending on context, a torrent may be the torrent file or the referenced content.

Typically, Internet access is asymmetrical, supporting greater download speeds than upload speeds, limiting the bandwidth of each download, and sometimes enforcing bandwidth caps and periods where systems are not accessible. This creates inefficiency when many people want to obtain the same set of files from a single source; the source must always be online and must have massive outbound bandwidth. The BitTorrent protocol addresses this by decentralizing the distribution, leveraging the ability of people to network "peer-to-peer", among themselves.

Each file to be distributed is divided into small information chunks called pieces. Downloading peers achieve rapid download speeds by requesting multiple pieces from different computers in the swarm. Once obtained, these pieces are usually immediately made available for download by others in the swarm. In this way, the burden on the network is spread among the downloaders, rather than concentrating at a central distribution hub or cluster. As long as all the pieces are available, peers (downloaders and uploaders) can come and go; no one peer needs to have all the chunks, or to even stay connected to the swarm in order for distribution to continue among the other peers.

As we are a singular unit I am not sure how adding ourselves to a swarm would help when most if not all information is already out there to be found via torrent. And, I would view it as an additional security risk. Just my opinion though... for what it is.

Wescli Wardest wrote: As we are a singular unit I am not sure how adding ourselves to a swarm would help when most if not all information is already out there to be found via torrent. And, I would view it as an additional security risk. Just my opinion though... for what it is.

My train of thought was that while "we" are a single unit, we utilize separate machines. The IP requests the files be downloaded rather than streamed for very logical reasons, and my thinking was that a torrent would lighten the burden on the bandwidth of the TotJO server itself by dividing distribution among many members.

I don't necessarily see it as a greater security risk than the current model of operation--could you help me understand your reasoning in this regard?

Yes. Instead of having one secure source to download from, there would be many to pull from; a bit here and a bit there. Then, each person that was on could potentially spread something to every other member unknowingly. At that point, anyone wanting to cause harm to our members would only have to have some part of the IP available for download and attach some virus, worm, Trojan… and it would get spread.

I do not use torrents for that reason alone. You don’t know who the source is.

Maybe I am a bit paranoid… could be. :blink:

hahahahhaha

Wescli Wardest wrote: Then, each person that was on could potentially spread something to every other member unknowingly.

Perhaps this is the former-technological-professional in me speaking, but if you don't have protection on your machine against such threats, there is a very high likelihood that you shouldn't be online to begin with. A frequent scanning of the contents of the associated files would be plenty to ensure this not be a soooooper-dee-duper problem. You could also put out a simple request that no one but certain members seed the files; it would be nigh impossible to enforce, but most people here would agree to such terms, and a great many people refuse to seed anyhow, as it doesn't agree with their ISP's guidelines on how best to use bandwidth.

I agree, everyone should have software to protect their computers before getting online. But unfortunately, no software developer is aware of all threats all the time and not everyone is always the most up-to-date.

Because the material on the IP does exist out there in most formats and can be found to download from many sources already I would advise against the additional security risk at this moment seeing how we (TOTJO) have limited resources that could be better allocated in other directions currently.

Keep in mind that is just my opinion, and I do not set policy.

A year or so ago I was making a list of known, safe download sites for members that were having a problem with our downloads. Perhaps we could spend some time and continue researching additional rescores to distribute when needed?

Wescli Wardest wrote: A year or so ago I was making a list of known, safe download sites for members that were having a problem with our downloads. Perhaps we could spend some time and continue researching additional rescores to distribute when needed?

Part of the problem with that is that everything currently in the IP is copyrighted material, which means that with the constantly increasing push against "Internet piracy" (which is a wholly separate soapbox), those types of sites may or may not stay up very long.

The few ways around this that I, personally, see are:

1. Keep things as they are
2. Encourage off-site downloads (potentially unsafe)
3. Seed a torrent (potentially hazardous)
4. Offer "official" links to the material where it may be purchased (expensive for members, but allows potential affiliate revenue for the Temple itself)
5. Redevelop the IP to include only original content (to be disseminated through ways 1 or 3) that refers to the current content via citation
6. Some combination of the above

I honestly believe that, in order to further develop and evolve the Temple, #5 will be beneficial and necessary sooner rather than later, as well as providing a scholarly outlet for some of the Temple's teachers, but that some combination of those options will ultimately be the most helpful.

my $0.02

As much as people don’t seem to like change, change is the only universal constant. Hahahhaha

So I am not a fan of “keeping things as they are.”
I like the idea of developing original content for the IP. I would also like to keep certain things as they are though. (IE: Joseph Campbell) And I think that offering links to where the materials can be purchased is a good thing. Not sure how I feel about making a profit off it though. (If I got your meaning on that?)

If we were to create an original content for the IP then we could reference other materials and not be in copyright violation. But I’m not sure how that all works. It’s not really my area of expertise. *shrug*

I like the idea of our doctrine being a living source… changing and growing as we do. And one day we very well may have a completely original training program unique to us and our philosophies and where we reference others as an “in addition to.” That would be awesome in my opinion. Then, we could have all of our senior members allow access for downloads and perhaps be a part of the BitTorrent swarm with little worry.

Definitely kewl ideas to kick around.

Wescli Wardest wrote: I like the idea of developing original content for the IP...I think that offering links to where the materials can be purchased is a good thing. Not sure how I feel about making a profit off it though. (If I got your meaning on that?)

It wouldn't be a profit; any affiliate-related proceeds would be optional at the discretion of the council, and would feed directly into whatever source is used to fund the site. Think of it as a boost to the Donate button.

If we were to create an original content for the IP then we could reference other materials and not be in copyright violation...I would also like to keep certain things as they are though. (IE: Joseph Campbell)

I think the best course of action is to create original content that cites and references the content we currently have, plus any new content that may be added. In this way, there is a definite reference to these things, but they are being interpreted anew (and added to!) by the local TotJO scholars, which gives them an even more unique perspective.

I like the idea of our doctrine being a living source… changing and growing as we do. And one day we very well may have a completely original training program unique to us and our philosophies and where we reference others as an “in addition to.” That would be awesome in my opinion.

I would love to see this happen, too. Much like the fictional Jedi prove their mastery by building their own lightsaber, I believe that this Temple will ultimately only better itself by crafting its own teaching materials, and for my small part, I will do whatever I can to aid in this.

Sorry for jumping into this conversation a bit late, but I wanted to suggest the use of JDownloader to those having problems downloading. It's a free (partially open source) download manager for PC, Mac, and Linux that can pause/resume and pick-up where you left off if you get disconnected (automatically, if you wish).

I tested it with files that are stored on TotJO's website (library.templeofthejediorder.org) and there were no issues. Resume worked perfectly (after pausing the download and after disconnecting by closing the program suddenly or disabling my internet connection).

I went through the IP and verified that all of the IP specific files (audio, video, and text) are stored on TotJO's site, so as far as I can tell JDownloader is a good option for people who only need those files.

There are some files (that are not necessary for the IP) not stored on TotJO's website...

Mediafire seems to have disabled resume functionality (at least for free users). Though, most of the larger files are stored on TotJO's site and most of the files stored on Mediafire are only a few megabytes in size.

I wasn't able to successfully resume files stored on Google Docs/Drive, but there only seem to be a few files in the library that are stored there.


Here is a download link for the JDownloader program:
http://jdownloader.org/download/index


Using JDownloader to download files from the library is fairly simple and doesn't present much of a learning curve.

After installing/loading the program, press the icon that looks like a clipboard (toward the top of the program's window). This will automatically collect any URLs/links that you copy to the clipboard.

Also select the icon directly to the right of that one if you wish JDownloader to automatically reconnect when disconnects occur.

If you go to the library and copy a link to the clipboard (right-click and "Copy link location"/ "Copy shortcut"/ ...) it will then show up in JDownloader's main window.

From there, all you need to do is select the filename in JDownloader's file list (push the "+" to the left of the filename to locate the actual file) and (in the pulldown menu associated with the file) click "Continue with selected link(s)".

In some cases (depending on how you get disconnected), you may find the file grayed out with a message that says, "File not found."

In these instances, you will have to select the file and "Enable" it (in the pulldown menu associated with the file) - then "Resume" it - and, finally, push the play button (the first icon toward the top of the program's window) to resume your download.


Hope this helps some of you!