Rogue One and the Return of Reverence

steamboat28 wrote: Well, Jedi are irreparably corrupt, and maintained a stranglehold and monopoly on the Force, if you want to insist on such a crude, incorrect, and obviously biased metaphor.

Oh rearry??
Well your incorruptable heros also used jedi mind tricks, aggresive negotiation not unlike gunboat diplomacy and outright manipulation to get their way. Case in point is qui-gons manipulation of dice to change the output of a bet for Anakin. Are these "Jedi" you hold in an incorruptable reguard really those all benevolent characters or could they maybe, possibly be concieved of as heros to some but villians to others?

You maybe wanna give that a second go?

steamboat28 wrote:

Kyrin clearly didn't actually read my post, but replied anyhow

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

steamboat28 wrote: Well, Jedi are irreparably corrupt, and maintained a stranglehold and monopoly on the Force, if you want to insist on such a crude, incorrect, and obviously biased metaphor.

Oh rearry??
Well your incorruptable heros also used jedi mind tricks, aggresive negotiation not unlike gunboat diplomacy and outright manipulation to get their way. Case in point is qui-gons manipulation of dice to change the output of a bet for Anakin. Are these "Jedi" you hold in an incorruptable reguard really those all benevolent characters or could they maybe, possibly be concieved of as heros to some but villians to others?

You maybe wanna give that a second go?

And maybe pull out a dictionary in the process?

I'd view reverence in this context as being a type of internal 'focus', recruiting inner strength or awareness etc.

Avalonslight wrote:

steamboat28 wrote:

Kyrin clearly didn't actually read my post, but replied anyhow

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

steamboat28 wrote: Well, Jedi are irreparably corrupt, and maintained a stranglehold and monopoly on the Force, if you want to insist on such a crude, incorrect, and obviously biased metaphor.

Oh rearry??
Well your incorruptable heros also used jedi mind tricks, aggresive negotiation not unlike gunboat diplomacy and outright manipulation to get their way. Case in point is qui-gons manipulation of dice to change the output of a bet for Anakin. Are these "Jedi" you hold in an incorruptable reguard really those all benevolent characters or could they maybe, possibly be concieved of as heros to some but villians to others?

You maybe wanna give that a second go?

And maybe pull out a dictionary in the process?

Immediate dismissal to the grammer police. Your on the internet, babe, get over it.

@steamboat,

What second go would you like? I agree with your idea that the force has no will. It is only the will of men that manifest. In this we can go against the natural order of the universe or not. And in that we can percieve that the universe will either retaliate against that or not. But to possess the ability to actually manipulate that will to our own means is a very catholic paradigm. I have always found it fascinating that two opposing forces in a military conflict can pray to the very same percieved god and both sides be convinced that that god is on their side.

The force takes no sides. It is only the subjective opinions of men that create sides and it is also those same men that create false hierarchies of control and illusions of acceptance or judgement. As well it is men, not the force, that create false aspects of reverence verses control.