Ruach Hakodesh

Adder wrote: I'd say the Spirit of the Force instead, and then it could mean to become manifest indirectly (spirit) through its (the Force) interaction with the surface of the water!? That way, its (the Force) manifestation in your experiential realm could be considered spirit as well, namely your own spirit... perhaps!? Therefore any experience which fits the description of the Abrahamic God could then be said to the spirit of God I guess.

This is the first time i hear that the Force has a spirit really which makes it more of a person to me , that is a difficult concept for me to crasp , because a person does not just BE or does he...? In my experiential realm the Force does not think , maybe i am wrong in this assumption. Can the Force think? Can my spirit think or is it just my brain trying to complicate my just Being.?

This isn't precisely in answer to your question but i felt the urge to share what I recently this year from a good book, 'Breathing Underwater, Spirituality and the Twelve Steps'' by Richard Rohr... Just an idea that the Holy Spirit could be called something else.

"Consciousness as Soul Itself

Consciousness is the subtle and all-embracing mystery within and between Everything. It is like the air we breathe, take for granted, and do not appreciate. Consciousness is not the seeing but that which sees me seeing. It is not the knower but that which knows that I am knowing. It is not the observer but that which underlies and observes me observing. You must step back from your compulsiveness, and your attachment to yourself, to be truly conscious. Consciousness cannot be "just me" because it can watch "me" from a distance...Consciousness is as hard to describe as soul is hard to describe. Maybe because they are the same thing?
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If "obeyed," yes, obeyed, consciouness will become a very wise teacher of soul wisdom and will teach us from deep within (Jeremiah 31:"" and Romans 2:15, both called it "the law written on our hearts"). Some call it the "Inner Witness" and this witness is what Christians have called the Holy Spirit, which has hovered over creation since the Big Bang (Genesis 1:2), that is, the first moment when God began to materialize.
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So, on one level soul, consciousness, and the Holy Spirit can well be thought of as the same thing, and it is always larger than me, shared, and even eternal. That's what Jesus means when he speaks of "giving" us the Spirit or sharing his consciousness with us. One whose soul is thus awakened, actually has "the mind of Christ" (1 Corinthians 2:10-16). That does not mean the person is pyschologically or morally perfect, but such transformed people do henceforth see things in a much more expanded and compassionate way. ..."

It goes on, and I've cut out parts of it and highlighted the one phrase in bold, but I do like the idea of the Holy Spirit being consciousness or soul, at least that particular way of thinking about it. Thanks for reminding me of that,

Vusuki wrote: This isn't precisely in answer to your question but i felt the urge to share what I recently this year from a good book, 'Breathing Underwater, Spirituality and the Twelve Steps'' by Richard Rohr... Just an idea that the Holy Spirit could be called something else.

"Consciousness as Soul Itself

Consciousness is the subtle and all-embracing mystery within and between Everything. It is like the air we breathe, take for granted, and do not appreciate. Consciousness is not the seeing but that which sees me seeing. It is not the knower but that which knows that I am knowing. It is not the observer but that which underlies and observes me observing. You must step back from your compulsiveness, and your attachment to yourself, to be truly conscious. Consciousness cannot be "just me" because it can watch "me" from a distance...Consciousness is as hard to describe as soul is hard to describe. Maybe because they are the same thing?
...
If "obeyed," yes, obeyed, consciouness will become a very wise teacher of soul wisdom and will teach us from deep within (Jeremiah 31:"" and Romans 2:15, both called it "the law written on our hearts"). Some call it the "Inner Witness" and this witness is what Christians have called the Holy Spirit, which has hovered over creation since the Big Bang (Genesis 1:2), that is, the first moment when God began to materialize.
...
So, on one level soul, consciousness, and the Holy Spirit can well be thought of as the same thing, and it is always larger than me, shared, and even eternal. That's what Jesus means when he speaks of "giving" us the Spirit or sharing his consciousness with us. One whose soul is thus awakened, actually has "the mind of Christ" (1 Corinthians 2:10-16). That does not mean the person is pyschologically or morally perfect, but such transformed people do henceforth see things in a much more expanded and compassionate way. ..."

It goes on, and I've cut out parts of it and highlighted the one phrase in bold, but I do like the idea of the Holy Spirit being consciousness or soul, at least that particular way of thinking about it. Thanks for reminding me of that,

Thank you so much for this , i will dig deeper into this , i am not really looking for an answer , prods in different directions are very appreciated so yes , thank you

MartaLina wrote:

Adder wrote: I'd say the Spirit of the Force instead, and then it could mean to become manifest indirectly (spirit) through its (the Force) interaction with the surface of the water!? That way, its (the Force) manifestation in your experiential realm could be considered spirit as well, namely your own spirit... perhaps!? Therefore any experience which fits the description of the Abrahamic God could then be said to the spirit of God I guess.

This is the first time i hear that the Force has a spirit really which makes it more of a person to me , that is a difficult concept for me to crasp , because a person does not just BE or does he...? In my experiential realm the Force does not think , maybe i am wrong in this assumption. Can the Force think? Can my spirit think or is it just my brain trying to complicate my just Being.?

For me it's all the Force, just in different patterns and levels of complexity. The more complex its structure in any one point, the further from its actual nature. Sort of like how we have gas, liquid and solids as states of matter, and perhaps plasma too - the same stuff just in different patterns which create an appearance of a different nature.

So perceptions of reality then (again IMO) are just then a construct of appearances, yes existing, I don't mean illusionary in the sense they are not real.... but rather that their nature is not that which we consider apparent.

Sort of thing.. so in that regard the Force's (or anythings) spirit is strictly the indirect manifestation of (it) the Force - compared to direct manifestation which fall within what we call the physical realm - by being 'direct', or directly apparent. Before we knew the brain was the source of thought, people perhaps thought it was the spirit within the body, because for science at that point it appeared to exist indirectly of observable phenomena.

Just my 'view' though, not meaning to say its truth or anything

Adder wrote:

MartaLina wrote:

Adder wrote: I'd say the Spirit of the Force instead, and then it could mean to become manifest indirectly (spirit) through its (the Force) interaction with the surface of the water!? That way, its (the Force) manifestation in your experiential realm could be considered spirit as well, namely your own spirit... perhaps!? Therefore any experience which fits the description of the Abrahamic God could then be said to the spirit of God I guess.

This is the first time i hear that the Force has a spirit really which makes it more of a person to me , that is a difficult concept for me to crasp , because a person does not just BE or does he...? In my experiential realm the Force does not think , maybe i am wrong in this assumption. Can the Force think? Can my spirit think or is it just my brain trying to complicate my just Being.?

For me it's all the Force, just in different patterns and levels of complexity. The more complex its structure in any one point, the further from its actual nature. Sort of like how we have gas, liquid and solids as states of matter, and perhaps plasma too - the same stuff just in different patterns which create an appearance of a different nature.

So perceptions of reality then (again IMO) are just then a construct of appearances, yes existing, I don't mean illusionary in the sense they are not real.... but rather that their nature is not that which we consider apparent.

Sort of thing.. so in that regard the Force's (or anythings) spirit is strictly the indirect manifestation of (it) the Force - compared to direct manifestation which fall within what we call the physical realm - by being 'direct', or directly apparent. Before we knew the brain was the source of thought, people perhaps thought it was the spirit within the body, because for science at that point it appeared to exist indirectly of observable phenomena.

Just my 'view' though, not meaning to say its truth or anything

Well i for one am very thankfull for your view thank you Adder , everything helps to get this conundrum a little clearer for , i am not looking for the truth ehehe the truth loll .if anyone finds that here , please ..keep it to yourself :laugh:

B"H


Baruch Hashem
To think the force and G-d are one
I feel that one day the whole earth shall known that G-d is one "Echad"
I feel that we are experiencing what G-d wills
and that there is no accidents and life is as it should be
if you were a star how would you know you were bright unless G-d made Darkness all around you
so you can experience who you really are
to completeness and fulfillment in your life may we all be with the force

forceuser wrote: B"H


Baruch Hashem
To think the force and G-d are one
I feel that one day the whole earth shall known that G-d is one "Echad"
I feel that we are experiencing what G-d wills
and that there is no accidents and life is as it should be
if you were a star how would you know you were bright unless G-d made Darkness all around you
so you can experience who you really are
to completeness and fulfillment in your life may we all be with the force

Thank you that is very beautifull

I'm Jedi so it comes without saying , I would hope that every expression of the Force is different . I'm human and I love seeing different actuals. Thank u for yours! I will always say if it grows you know. Not everything makes each person know. If that makes any sense . Thanks for being this part of my personal Jedi ism . May u continue to thrive and grow here. My inbox is always open ! May the Force be with you where and ... When you seek ... Him , her , it !

One is Everything. Everything is One.

"I AM THAT I AM"

That's the simplest way to put it, but probably the most difficult thing to understand.

Aharon wrote: One is Everything. Everything is One.

"I AM THAT I AM"

That's the simplest way to put it, but probably the most difficult thing to understand.

And yet for me as a Jew , i understand this