ATTN: COUNCIL; Updated Doctrine Proposal

So I'm confused?? I've only been here a short while but I have been told over and over that the movies are not supposed to be used as reference, that we are actually supposed to get away from that thinking. But this talk which seems an important talk brings that to front and center?? So do jedi follow the teachings of the movies or not?

Fyxe wrote: So I'm confused?? I've only been here a short while but I have been told over and over that the movies are not supposed to be used as reference, that we are actually supposed to get away from that thinking. But this talk which seems an important talk brings that to front and center?? So do jedi follow the teachings of the movies or not?

You'll never stop being confused if you just keep moaning about this instead of looking at the wide variety of information about Jedi and star wars outside of the films (which very much contains the answers to your questions, in no uncertain terms). You skillfully dodge the answers you've been repeatedly given, and ignore the information simply because you don't like the increasingly frustrated tone.

It's not even relevant to your learning here, outside the fact that, even within the fiction, what it meant to be Jedi was re-defined many times- why is that, in the process of real world application, than, so strange to you?

I think you're much too fixated on your expectations when compared to the real world, here. Read through wookieepedia and scour youtube essays and what not if it matters that much, but maybe you're energy would be better spent on your studies here, and what being Jedi means to you, without being so concerned about what other people think?

The fiction has its place as a point of inspiration. If we are talking about what is and isn’t Jedi, it stands to reason that when building a structure you should return to the source to ensure you’re not venturing too far from it.

Source and inspiration are different. I can be inspired by Diogenes without living in a barrel

I rather like the three tenets; knowledge, focus, wisdom. These definitely come across as jedi-like, but are they tenets?

Semantics of the word "tenet" aside (I imagine "Pillars" could serve)

there is a charm to three....basic things....
Everyone loves the triforce - Power Courage and Wisdom.....but we can't just steal that.

A thought though, in...lets call it "achieving goals", there are three "basic tools" you need. They have stupid names depending on who you ask, but they can more or less be referred to as "Will" "Knowledge" and "Resources"

(Will could just as easily be Courage, Knowledge could be Wisdom, and Resources could be power....)

Now this comes a bit into my previous question - does a Jedi seek to enforce their will on the world? and if that is so - the pillars for a Jedi could easily be Knowledge (the things you know, or that can be known), Will (the desire and focus to achieve what can be achieved) and Resources (the power and expendable material required to do the things that can be done - this can include your own body, as a "resource" to be built and put to task, but just as easily be the good faith of your allies, or your political influence, or monies, etc etc)

I don't put forth my "three things" as being inherently Jedi, but they are the "Three things" required to "achieve goals"

They can also, rather readily, be understood or taught concepts, which might be handy for a church with so many people eager to learn....

Am i enforcing my will on the world when i vote?
What about if i donate to a politician?
If i join a politicians campaign?
If i convince other people to vote for him/her?
What if i have billions of dollars and i only donate to politicians who will write laws that protect my company?
What if i hack all the voting machine in a given district?

Most stories of the Jedi involve them completing some difficult mission; a Jedi who cant achieve a goal is as useful as anyone else who cant achieve a goal lol. Id say the issue is the ethics of how we do it?