‘Secular Invocation’

Interesting....


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I would not be opposed to a Jedi delivering a Jediism based invocation. If it hasn't been done yet, perhaps the time is right.

This might just be me being a linguistic stickler, but you can't really *have* a secular invocation, can you?

I mean, technically, if you're trying to appeal to a governmental body, or a council, or something, those might be construed as invocations, but typically we call them appeals in English, because "invoke" is a verb we relegate solely to the metaphysical--spirits, deities, energy fields, concepts, and luck being the most common culprits.

"Secular" tends to suggest that you are dealing with none of those things, and thereby makes the whole shootin' match kind of dissonant in an oxymoronic way, yeah?

You crack me up sometimes Steamboat28. You are right of course. Our language is just silly anyways.

Currently we lack a phrase for "the opening of a meeting with wishes of good tidings in a non-religious way"...

Probably the best they could come up with, lol...

You could call it a 'toast' I suppose...

But that is usually for parties...

Very possible, Wescli got a secular invocation (which was called "invocation") at his knighting ceremony.

Yes steamboat you are being a stickler. Why can one not invoke the good nature of the human spirit?

Just ridicules untenable bureaucrats grinding there self's in to a spin filled mess lolz

"Secular Invocation" what whose all or just the buddy's that are there ???? no religion in schools , or government : )
government are to keep the lights on and the roads working. that's how we do it here, in the uk and i like it : )
and even Tony Blair, UK prime minister "bush's little chiwawa " never mentioned "god" at work or "evil" in its biblical sense.
And he was a devoted fanatic every Sunday without fail.

i do love any message of peace, but please, bureaucrats just rubber stamp the thing and sign it dont sand around waffling mubo jumbo all day its costing us a fortune, hahahah : ) and we have all seen secular violence from missed placed words in public offices. On a lighter note if the Queen gives a secular Jedi invocation, can you delete this for me giggle : )

Those colonists who left the Uk (by choice, lol), did so in search of religious freedom...

We have it DRILLED into hour heads over here...

http://etech.northern.edu/blanchak/pols100/pols100lectures/colonial%20government.htm

And, the christian religions wont let go of the word God in everything...

You know our money has it on there too, right?

So, God became intregal, then some decided it was not right... Ive been on both sides of this at various points in my life...

Yet, we also claim a separation needs to be maintained between church and state...

lol, quite the conundrum...

Jestor wrote: Currently we lack a phrase for "the opening of a meeting with wishes of good tidings in a non-religious way"...

The term "benediction" works here. While it still carries the stink of religious connotations, it is linguistically accurate in these circumstances in ways that "invocation" is not.

Akkarin wrote: Yes steamboat you are being a stickler. Why can one not invoke the good nature of the human spirit?

This implies a universal belief that it exists. Which, given the state of the world, is highly questionable.

steamboat28 wrote:

Jestor wrote: Currently we lack a phrase for "the opening of a meeting with wishes of good tidings in a non-religious way"...

The term "benediction" works here. While it still carries the stink of religious connotations, it is linguistically accurate in these circumstances in ways that "invocation" is not.

Akkarin wrote: Yes steamboat you are being a stickler. Why can one not invoke the good nature of the human spirit?

This implies a universal belief that it exists. Which, given the state of the world, is highly questionable.

Lol, both words have a plethora of meanings and both of them have meanings that can be used completely secularly.

I think its up to the parents and churches to give religious and moral guidance. The state should know its limits, and not over burden its self.

As for the colonists we had to get of our rock because its to cold to grow food here most of the year lol so we made ships to go and plunder, well gather LOL ........then when the new USA towns and transport was all paid for and the rebels/pirates where asked to pay for there ships towns and a heap of tax, they said no bugger off queeny lolz nice one, come and get it if you think your hard enough hahah, that's the venison we get drummed in to our heads here . : )

Analyze wrote: I think its up to the parents and churches to give religious and moral guidance. The state should know its limits, and not over burden its self.

And Peers!?!?

HAhaha yer and i forgot Peers thay have the most impact