The Awesomeness of Trump

Wow what's there not to like about this guy? This may very well be the greatest president the US has ever had and he's only been at it a couple days. Can you imagine all our businesses will soon get our taxes cut from 35% to 15%? Gas prices will come down even more. Companies will hire Americans after the pool of illegals dries up. Crime should theoretically go down after deporting all the illegal criminals. TPP is gone. Huge companies will move production facilities back to the US. Obamacare is going away. Yes!

I know the media has been really unfair and reporting a bunch of lies. It's sad, really.

Depends who your talking to, and it's really too early to tell

I guess the best thing to do now that he is elected, is to give him a shot and judge him on his actions.

Would you like the short list or the comprehensive list?

Ahhh. Tinkle down economics. With these amazing tax cuts of course they gonna distribute the funds to the minions instead of giving thier executives fat multi million dollar bonuses all over again.... :whistle:

Can't be the cool kid without having any friends.

Whyte Horse wrote: Companies will hire Americans after the pool of illegals dries up. Crime should theoretically go down after deporting all the illegal criminals.

And where will you find all the Americans who are willing to do very basic, unskilled work for minimal wage? The current unemployment rate of 4.9% suggests that, by far, most people already have work. The problem America has isn't unemployment, it's that wages are too low so people who work can't get anywhere. This problem won't be solved by pushing Americans into lower paying jobs. Deporting the people who have been doing America's dirty work is dubious at best, both ethically and economically.

Thinking that crime is predominantly committed by illegal immigrants is a myth. Current numbers suggest that illegal immigrants are statistically less likely to commit crimes than those living in America legally (including US citizens).

Also, believing that lowering corporate tax will benefit the people in any way is like believing in Sanata Claus. Corporate greed knows no boundaries. Lowering corporate tax will have two effects: more money in the pockets of the rich and a massive tax hike for the middle class.

And last but not least (and hence my previous post): America is hugely dependent on foreign imports in some areas and exports in others. Slapping a 20% tax on Mexican products, or 25% on German imports may seem like a swell idea at the moment, but doing so will also make these products more expensive by that much - again hitting the tax payer hard. But that's only part of the consequences: taxing imports will invariably lead to other nations taxing American goods as well, which will diminish sales of American goods abroad and hampering the US economy. The latter will increase unemployment in the middle class. Which is, well, slightly problematic because the middle class are those people who are supposed to be paying for the reduction in corporate tax.

The problem is that Trump is seemingly offering very simple solutions to issues that by and large aren't actual issues but have been blown out of proportion by conservative media and politicians over years. The fact is: America is doing pretty great. It's very easy to mess that up.

Cyan Sarden wrote:
Also, believing that lowering corporate tax will benefit the people in any way is like believing in Sanata Claus. Corporate greed knows no boundaries. Lowering corporate tax will have two effects: more money in the pockets of the rich and a massive tax hike for the middle class.

Being a small business owner myself the tax reduction will actually allow me to collect a paycheck for all the administrative work I do instead of working for free and paying my one employee, so your argument is invalid =p

It probably does only affect a small minority of small business owners the most but it does benefit some.

Tellahane wrote:
Being a small business owner myself the tax reduction will actually allow me to collect a paycheck for all the administrative work I do instead of working for free and paying my one employee, so your argument is invalid =p

It probably does only affect a small minority of small business owners the most but it does benefit some.

I'm sure it'll help some businesses - the problem is that the tax cut will only work if it ends up stimulating the economy - and if that doesn't happen (and it's very doubtful it will as it means less money to spend for most Americans, and if they don't spend money in local businesses, sales decline), it'll backfire massively. As as a small business owner, you're likely also a member of the middle class. As such, the tax cut may benefit your business, but you'll pay for it through income tax. I doubt you'll personally benefit from it financially. The only people benefitting from this are Trump and his fellow corporate shareholder and executive buddies.

exactly, and the deregulation means we can cut costs and increase profitability. All this spells an economic boom as far as I'm concerned

I genuinely read this as a sarcastic post, an imitation (a pretty good one!) of his speaking style...

I might well have interpreted it all wrong, but I wanted to chuck that thought out there before this thread starts snowballing as it would seem likely to...

Cyan Sarden wrote:

Whyte Horse wrote: Companies will hire Americans after the pool of illegals dries up.

And where will you find all the Americans who are willing to do very basic, unskilled work for minimal wage? .

I won't. I'll have to pay $20/hr for highly skilled American labourers because nobody will competently do the work for minimum wage once the slaves are gone. oops I mean illegal immigrants.

Whyte Horse wrote: Wow what's there not to like about this guy? This may very well be the greatest president the US has ever had and he's only been at it a couple days. Can you imagine all our businesses will soon get our taxes cut from 35% to 15%? Gas prices will come down even more. Companies will hire Americans after the pool of illegals dries up. Crime should theoretically go down after deporting all the illegal criminals. TPP is gone. Huge companies will move production facilities back to the US. Obamacare is going away. Yes!

I know the media has been really unfair and reporting a bunch of lies. It's sad, really.

Weren't you the guy who marched on Standing Rock a few months ago while preaching how "un jedi" the rest of us were for not having done so? He approved the pipeline that's scheduled to go right through Standing Rock, are you going to go back and tell all those people that he's awesome? Please make sure you document the whole thing, and post it here when you do...

Whyte Horse wrote: exactly, and the deregulation means we can cut costs and increase profitability. All this spells an economic boom as far as I'm concerned

There can only be an economic boom if the average American has more money to spend and if exports soar.

The first will only happen if business owners actually pass on their savings to the employees by increasing their salaries. This will unlikely happen - plus pushing Americans into the low-paying jobs that illegal immigrants had previously been doing, people are likely to earn less on average than more.

The second will only happen if trade barriers are torn down rather than built up. Trump is doing the opposite. If American products become more expensive abroad, they don't sell. Especially if production is actually moved back to America (which I personally believe is a great thing from a social point of view), making everything more expensive to produce.

Whyte Horse wrote:

Cyan Sarden wrote:

Whyte Horse wrote: Companies will hire Americans after the pool of illegals dries up.

And where will you find all the Americans who are willing to do very basic, unskilled work for minimal wage? .

I won't. I'll have to pay $20/hr for highly skilled American labourers because nobody will competently do the work for minimum wage once the slaves are gone. oops I mean illegal immigrants.

Exactly my point. How are business owners going to pay for that? I'll give you the answer: they aren't because they simply can't.

Cyan Sarden wrote: Thinking that crime is predominantly committed by illegal immigrants is a myth. Current numbers suggest that illegal immigrants are statistically less likely to commit crimes than those living in America legally (including US citizens).

My neighbor is the head of the police drug task force. He said there are truckloads of methamphetamine coming up from mexico. It's all they can do to round it up and take them to jail but then for every one they arrest, 10 more pop up to take their places. The federal crackdowns at the borders and local+federal cooperation will probably help to curtail a lot of that. I hope it works. It;s what the police want.

Zenchi wrote:

Whyte Horse wrote: Wow what's there not to like about this guy? This may very well be the greatest president the US has ever had and he's only been at it a couple days. Can you imagine all our businesses will soon get our taxes cut from 35% to 15%? Gas prices will come down even more. Companies will hire Americans after the pool of illegals dries up. Crime should theoretically go down after deporting all the illegal criminals. TPP is gone. Huge companies will move production facilities back to the US. Obamacare is going away. Yes!

I know the media has been really unfair and reporting a bunch of lies. It's sad, really.

Weren't you the guy who marched on Standing Rock a few months ago while preaching how "un jedi" the rest of us were for not having done so? He approved the pipeline that's scheduled to go right through Standing Rock, are you going to go back and tell all those people that he's awesome? Please make sure you document the whole thing, and post it here when you do...

Yeah I still stand with the native americans and their rights to keep the pipeline companies from ripping up their graves. It can be rerouted, no doubt. If it goes through their burial grounds I'll bitch and protest.

I guess we must just give him a chance and see how it goes

vfrance160 wrote: I guess we must just give him a chance and see how it goes

Don't have much of a choice right now but keeping a watchful eye won't hurt.

Whyte Horse wrote: My neighbor is the head of the police drug task force. He said there are truckloads of methamphetamine coming up from mexico. It's all they can do to round it up and take them to jail but then for every one they arrest, 10 more pop up to take their places. The federal crackdowns at the borders and local+federal cooperation will probably help to curtail a lot of that. I hope it works. It;s what the police want.

I can understand that - but that can't easily be projected for all crime committed in the US. Again: on average, illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than legal residents. The number of illegal immigrants working in drug trafficking is very lowed compared to the total number of illegals living in the US. And agreed: every measure should be taken to curb drug trafficking.

Cyan Sarden wrote:

Whyte Horse wrote: My neighbor is the head of the police drug task force. He said there are truckloads of methamphetamine coming up from mexico. It's all they can do to round it up and take them to jail but then for every one they arrest, 10 more pop up to take their places. The federal crackdowns at the borders and local+federal cooperation will probably help to curtail a lot of that. I hope it works. It;s what the police want.

I can understand that - but that can't easily be projected for all crime committed in the US. Again: on average, illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than legal residents. The number of illegal immigrants working in drug trafficking is very lowed compared to the total number of illegals living in the US. And agreed: every measure should be taken to curb drug trafficking.

You're right. It's a small minority but wow what a big impact they are having. I would appreciate it if trump framed this to focus on "drug lords" and "human traffickers" instead of "poor brown people". I don't know why the media keeps talking about mexicans and lumping them under this program. It's kinda weird.