Views on "Kinesis" and other forms of energy manipulation

Recently I've been doing some reading into the energy of the universe and how it connects us all. As Jedi we believe this energy is the Force, and through my readings I've found that some people believe that there are ways to channel the energy and manipulate it. I'm new to the Jedi temple, and while I know some of the things I see or read are fake, I find the idea of connecting this strongly to the Force and channeling its energy really fascinating. I was just wondering what you guys think of all of it, or if you have any personal experience with having an extremely strong connection to the Force.

Each person has a different view on this. Personally I don't believe in telekinesis or mind reading or things like that. I do believe in some types of energy based healing methods like Reiki.

I think that I do have trouble understanding what any of this means. I suppose therefore it must be that I am using at least some of the words in question differently, so to clear this up I shall ask this:
What do you mean by "energy", "universe", "connect", "channel" and "manipulate", respectively, and are you positive that this is how the authors of your sources use those words, too?

I guess I could've been clearer in my original post, I apologize for any confusion.

By "universe" I mean all things in creation. Us, plants, animals, stars, and such.
By "energy" I guess I'm referring to the Force. The source that all things in the universe contain and have in common.
By "connect" I just mean exactly that. Some sort of bond between the Force and us or other objects.
Channel and manipulate go hand in hand. By those words I'm referring to a way that we could be influenced by the Force or the Force could influence us.

I myself am not looking to do telekinesis or mind readings. I've just seen some videos and articles of people who claim they are able to. I guess I would be looking for a way to feel or sense the Force flowing through other people and objects. In such a way that if they were in trouble or inner strife I could sense it and possibly help them. Also, should such a thing be possible, maybe the Force could aid me in emotional or spiritual healing.

For this post however, I'm just looking for opinions of what you guys think of such things. Or experiences you have (I said this in the original post, but wanted to reiterate)

Thanks for your replies guys!

I tend to approach it from a perspective of comparable system's being entrained or mirroring each other.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrainment_(chronobiology)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirroring_(psychology)
..... depending on the biological or psychology systems respectively. I'm not sure if the placebo effect should fall into mirroring as its not how I'd interpret it, but it might. For me the placebo effect is generated from the construction and reinforcement of the individuals own belief construct.

So from entrainement and mirroring, I like to imagine I could find less obvious relationships which might be difficult to detect with the usual transmission medium detection such like otherwise I'd be looking for magnetic, electrical, heat or pressure transmission in some way. I tend to leave the 'unknown' category to last, and don't necessarily ascribe the concept of the Force to it. I tend to view all things as being expressions of the Force... its just some of the more subtle ones seem to match the fiction a bit is all

If you think kinesis witch is name telekinesis . Well there you have a better perspective of attracting the force . When people use the right word they understand better. There is student of the force here they really think sometime it's the force who guide's them . Why because we are right there speaking about it .When it exist why denies in the idea of the force . Sometime it is better to use the form of word then to compose other wise .

Furthermore to ignore these balance bond or bind is to come closer of losing you good will power . To those forms of beliefs other than the way Jediime is actually made is to admit that the force exist . It is actually fun to go around the subject .I mean why are you willing to play these discovery in the temple without trying it in your house or just play along .

It is easy to say the bind's of the force what is harder is to admit that you use the force .

We are sensory dull creatures. Other animals senses are much more developed and capable than ours so we miss a lot of stuff going on around us. Our brains are better than all the other creatures. Thought is an energy were have influence over and can control. Our thought energy, personal energy, is dwarfed by the living forces we swim in. Those that have the sensitivity to "feel" all this and think about what they feel are in touch with these forces. They are very fortunate as this allows them to be in harmony with life's energies. Some may think this is control of forces but really we are just along for the ride.

We feel the power/energy, power excites us, we desire power, we want to use/control/channel power...........
but I "feel" our influence on the force is no more than a butterfly's on a sunny day flying from flower to flower.

A very pretty butterfly though.

Well, it seems that you are describing gravity... in a sense.
The smallest biological category that contains us, the other animals and plants would be eucaryotes, but since we have to include stars, I guess we'll have to extrapolate as far as the sum of all material things. Outside of what you call universe would then be everything that is not made of matter, like light, as well as circumstantial quantities like space and time.
Since everybody means something different when they speak of the Force and only refer to it whenever they don't want to be specific, we can cast that aside and see what else you mean by energy and that seems to be whatever all things in the previously defined universe have in common. Since the physical quantity that is energy is also something contained in light, the thing that is common especially to material objects would have to be a specific type of energy, namely mass.
What connection means is still an open question, since it is just some kind of bond between mass and massive objects and I don't know that anybody knows what that even could be.
Finally, channeling and manipulation seem to be ways in which we - and by that I assume you mean humankind - can be influenced by mass.
Well, gravity would then be the primary interaction between a massive object and one of us, since we are massive objects also. Technically massive objects can push us around, too, but that is due to electrical charge and not mass and since as far as I know there exist massive chargeless particles, we cannot outright say that charge is also something all massive objects have in common.

So in conclusion, assuming that the elaboration you gave is exhaustive, you are talking about gravity. Yes, I do believe that there is such a thing. I do not believe that it is particularly helpful to rename everything about it into woo-buzzwords as to sound as vague and new-age-y as possible, such that explaining the terms becomes this necessary because of how different they are from the ones normally used. But I am positive that gravity is a thing and that that recognition is something as fascinating as it is useful.

So in conclusion, assuming that the elaboration you gave is exhaustive, you are talking about gravity.

G you mean me?

I'm going to just leave this here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHElJ6jj4Ks

(this isn't to say that i don't believe in the possibility, just my opinion on it's relevance)

No, Rickie, I was addressing the OP there.

Also, Alethea, there are a couple of problems with what you (or that video at any rate) is saying.
First, not everybody who speaks of "the Force" means "energy" by that. Among those who do not everybody means the same thing by "energy" either, and to enough of them the Force as a label goes beyond what they mean by energy. There is of course no wrong definition of the Force and if you choose to have that as an alternative name for energy, that is fine, but that is not how everybody else means it, I'm not sure any significant subset of all Jedi do, and those who do still have no reason to do so aside from what amounts effectively to personal preference. So that the Force does indeed equal energy is, well... false, I guess. It is at best just one of the myriad competing understandings and there are enough of the others that are by no means any less valid.
Likewise, while you are free to define what you do or do not mean by Jedi, and while your understanding of that name may largely overlap with my own, I do take issue with the idea that any one person has the authority to declare what is or isn't in fact a Jedi. Any one person does not own the label and while I find the tricksters who think their alleged magic is what is necessary or sufficient to be a Jedi just as laughable as you do, there is still no such thing as a "True Jedi^TM ". If anything, the attempt to model one smells to me more like a no-true-scottsman fallacy in the making.

*facepalm* I said "to me". I didn't say for everyone else. And you are clearly missing the point.

The Doctrine here, the teachings here, they are all suppose to inspire you to actually impact the world in your own hero's journey. Wasting your time on force usage that is not going to benefit others is not a good use of your time, as a Jedi.

Let's give an example:

Sith use the Force, they are not Jedi.
Baran Do, a good force user group in the Star Wars Universe, use the Force (they even use it to benefit others), but they are not Jedi.
Jensaari use the Force but are not Jedi.

Jedi is a very particular philosophical group within the Star Wars Universe. There is a particular system which defines you as a Jedi. You don't just get to call yourself one and be one. Even those which were Jedi at one point in time in the fiction acknowledge that there are particulars which make one Jedi and when they fall from it, they no longer fit the bill. So yes, there is a "Here are the lines, go outside the boundaries and you're no longer a Jedi". BUT it doesn't make you a bad person either - unless you become a Dark Force User as a result.

So, let's ask, can you look at someone and determine if they are Jedi? Or do you let them define it for themselves? Because if tomorrow morning Wayne Williams (a man on death row for murdering 29 children) said "I've been a Jedi since the first time I took a child's life" and you say "Well he claims he's been a Jedi, so he must be a Jedi" then you clearly need to rethink whether or not you understand the Jedi Path.

I do not know what is intended by the doctrine. I know that everybody is free and welcome to take from it what they will. None of it says that training magic powers is a waste of time or has no benefit or has nothing to do with being a Jedi. I agree with the content of what you are saying, just not with the universality you may or may not be implying.
What the fiction has to say on the matter matters within the context of the fiction. If your views happen to match it on this issue, that's fine, but they are no stronger and no more valid for being supported by the fiction than the unsupported ones are.

And to answer your question, no I have no way of telling who is or isn't a Jedi. I can hardly even tell who is or isn't a good person across the board, and frankly I doubt that there is even such a thing as generally good or generally evil. So if Mr. Williams said he was a Jedi, all I'd know is that this is what he said. There is no concrete definition of a Jedi, so there is no definition he matches. There is conversely no definition he is missing, so your saying that he isn't one is just as arbitrary as his declaration that he is. Now if that to you sounds like I don't understand "the Jedi Path^TM ", or that I am for this reason no capital-T "True Jedi^TM ", that's your opinion and my point is that while you are free and welcome to hold it, you don't get to declare that it is any more than that - or indeed worth any more than I paid for it. You do get to say that I do not understand your Jedi path, as it were, and you can explain why you find yours so compelling, but this is about as far as you can reasonably go, as can anybody else, including Mr. Williams.

I am personally extremely sceptical of kinesis, but the theory behind kinesis is mainly energy and particles.

If i were to take Pyrokinesis for an example the more closer to science explenation is:

Wich is quite logical yes, i have tried it myself without major success.
If this really does exist, why would one put time into it anyways?
It's not like you are going to be able to ignite a person by looking at him or moving a car with your mind either

Sure I do. As you're the one claiming to be a Jedi, you have to prove that you are. If I claim that you are not, it's not very difficult for me to pull up every order that still exists and point out exactly how a person like Wayne Williams is not a Jedi. In fact, it wouldn't take very long.

You can tell the difference between someone that is clearly not a Jedi, claims to be one, and one that is a Jedi.

Wayne Williams: Murdered 29 children.

"All life is sacred"

Done. Not Jedi. He could transform his life and become one, but if he stated that he was a Jedi the moment he killed his first child onward. He doesn't fit the marker.

As to your "Not a True Scotsman", there is a such thing. For example, the definition states it has to be a male. So if a woman (either by birth [excluding those incidents where they are male with female parts] or under the "this is my gender because I'm trapped in a man's body") came in and said they were a Scotsman, it is not possible. They are not male. Period. They could be a Scots Woman. But not a Scotsman. Thus, there is a such thing as "Not a true Scotsman"

As to your "Not a True Scotsman", there is a such thing. For example, the definition states it has to be a male. So if a woman (either by birth [excluding those incidents where they are male with female parts] or under the "this is my gender because I'm trapped in a man's body") came in and said they were a Scotsman, it is not possible. They are not male. Period. They could be a Scots Woman. But not a Scotsman. Thus, there is a such thing as "Not a true Scotsman"

Well, that was a childish argument.

Amazing that a guy can murder 29 children and still be a Jedi if he "changes".

As if you can change the fact you killed 29 children.

Right, so apparently you don't know what the fallacy is... that's fine, not everybody has to.

So in your opinion if someone does not believe that all life is sacred, they are therefore no "True Jedi", just as Catholics are no "True Christians" and Scottish men who like their porridge with sugar are no "True Scotsmen" because a "True Scotsman" wouldn't. Now, that is your opinion... But that is all it is. Ignoring Wayne Williams for a moment, if disagreeing with you on a doctrinal point means not being a Jedi, so be it. Apparently thinking of themselves as the arbiter of what people are is a perfectly Jedi thing to do, so what do I know? What have you to say against the next bloke to say that you are no "True Jedi" because you don't waste your time training magical powers, as any "True Jedi" would?
All this does is making up arbitrary and unnecessary subgroups and feeding potential schisms and conflicts where there need not be any. It is being consciously and purposefully divisive and nothing else. Apparently in your view being so is something very Jedi-like.

Look, you are very free and welcome to think in this way and you are welcome to found a club of your own on that, and if you wish, you are even welcome to declare those of us who won't join heretics, just as the Orthodox churches do to the Catholics. I don't know if anybody else is going to be hurt by that, but I for one sure can endure that. It is not a very high price to pay, really.

I didn't mean to start any hostility or anything. I was just curious what other people thought of the matter at hand. I'm not trying to draw a relationship between the Jedi training and kinesis or energy, but I was simply wondering what other's thoughts were on it.

Being someone who craves knowledge and learning, I personally found the idea of it fascinating. Sure it may not be real, but the idea of being able to manipulate particles and waves with our minds seems interesting to me. In a situation where it is possible, how and why is it possible? Would it be linked spiritually or scientifically?

I appreciate everyone's thoughts and opinions, and I apologize if my curiosity and questions caused any undue debate or hostility.

Don't worry, brother, it's all in a friendly spirit. It happens here all the time, really.

Actually Catholics are Christian. The doctrine for Christianity that is collective to them all is kind of short:

Believe in Christ
That he died on the Cross for your Sins
Believe in (and try to adhere to) the 10 Commandments
And that you are saved because of Christ's sacrifice

Catholicism fits this description.

Amazing that a guy can murder 29 children and still be a Jedi if he "changes".

I didn't say it would be easy. Nor did I say he would achieve it. I also didn't say it was probable. But that it is possible (even at .0000001% chance things are "possible").

And is it childish? Or is it simply a statement that the "absolute" of Not a True Scotsman is just as flawed as any other absolute statement. All the other fallacies focus on "are you saying that because such and such aligns?" Not a True Scotsman is used for the illegitimate belief that categorization creates further problems rather than celebrating there are differences amongst us that are of great value. It's said every time someone feels like the person calling it ("You're not a true scotsman") is suppose to feel belittled by stating such. Rather than pushing for people to surpass their boundaries.

In modern usage: It's a cop out fallacy.