His justice undoes the wicked

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22 Jun 2014 07:44 #150838 by Brenna
Im a little bit taken with this pope...

http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/06/pope-francis-excommunicates-the-sicilian-mafia-takes-the-cannoli/373183/



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22 Jun 2014 09:35 #150848 by
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As much as I like frank I was scratching my head with his drug position and the like but sod all of that. This is ballsy like stupid ballsy but the stupid ballsy that I cant help but respect rofl

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22 Jun 2014 12:13 - 22 Jun 2014 12:14 #150850 by
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The Italian mafia is a real and persistent social problem. For example, the illegal disposition of toxic waste is only their most recent nefarious activity that directly impacts the health and safety of Italians. The Pope's unprecedented courageous act gives Italian Catholics a moral foundation for their resistance to the mafia.
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22 Jun 2014 14:52 - 22 Jun 2014 14:54 #150859 by Gisteron

Alan wrote: The Pope's unprecedented courageous act gives Italian Catholics a moral foundation for their resistance to the mafia.

Because no Italian Catholic would have any sort of moral foundation to oppose a crime syndicate that actively harms and destroys their fellow people unless the Pope's says something? Sure, the church is always somewhat behind decent and civilized people with its apologies, statements and actions, and granted, the most faithful of Catholics aren't always the quickest of thinkers, but come on, this is offensive. Surely they don't need an old dude with a stupid hat to tell them that a murderous poison salesman is not exactly a friend to humanity, or do they?

Anyway, I think they're lagging behind. Just as they do with just about everything. Then of course exclusion from their in-group such that now the baddies can't join them in a realm of magic and happiness after death isn't much of a punishment IMHO, though let this not mean that I wished any more power to the church than it already has. But yea, I think I'm glad its moving along at all. Be it kicking and screaming and a century behind everyone else, but they are making progress at least.

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22 Jun 2014 15:40 #150860 by void
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I have a problem with the method used, though. From my understanding of Catholicism, the intersection of the implications of excommunication are directly against the Church's supposed stance on forgiveness and redemption.

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22 Jun 2014 16:18 #150861 by
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It's been a while since I've stepped foot into my former church, so I had to look up the meaning of excommunication again.

Dummies wrote: Being excommunicated from the Catholic Church is widely misunderstood: It doesn't mean that you're banned from church and stripped of your Catholicism. Rather, excommunication is a strong, remedial penalty meted out with the hope that it'll wake you up and move you to true repentance — and back into full communion with the faithful. In short, it's reversible. [ Source ]


So, it's meant as a wake up call to those who have lost their way, so to speak. It can be undone if they change their ways, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

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22 Jun 2014 17:33 #150864 by
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Also, I was told that he didn't excommunicate them (which is a legal process). He simply said they were excommunicating themselves by removing Christ from within them. At least, that's how I was told it is to be interpreted.

Honestly, I think it's more symbolic than it is changing.

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22 Jun 2014 17:48 #150866 by ren
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the church and mafias do good business. Someone got caught red handed and this is just a PR move engineered to prevent other stories from coming out.

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23 Jun 2014 03:52 #150897 by
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Careful, Ren. The truth is only useful to those who know how to use it.

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23 Jun 2014 14:02 #150918 by
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Yeah, ren. Do you wanna get excommunicated? Cuz that's how you get excommunicated.

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