Anxiety - A Sane Response to Life's Inherent Insanity?

"It’s a mad world that insists that the anxious are the ones who have lost their minds."

I keep finding myself coming back to this article from The School of Life's 'The Book of Life'.

Thoughts?

The Normality of Anxiety Attacks

You’re on a plane on the tarmac and it’s time to shut the doors. Suddenly, the insanity strikes you. You’ll be in a highly explosive sealed aluminium tube, breathing recycled kerosene-infused air, for the next six-and-a-half hours, with no way of getting off or out. The pilot may be exhausted or inwardly distressed. Air traffic control at any of the 40 waymarks along the journey may get momentarily distracted. You’ll be streaming 5 miles above the surface of the planet. No one else seems remotely sensitive to what any of this implies – they’re chatting and reading magazines – but for you, it’s the beginning of a kind of hell. You are on the verge of giving way to what we currently know as a panic attack.

Or you’re walking up the narrow stairs to a party in a top floor apartment. It’s the birthday of a friend of a friend and you can hear the sound of voices and bass through the door. This is customarily described as fun – but you’re overwhelmingly conscious that you’ll hardly know anyone, that you’ll have to explain who you are and what you do to complete, busy and not necessarily overly sympathetic strangers and that if you want to be alone and unobserved for a while, the bathroom is liable to have a line of seven drunken people outside it. Once again, the descent into panic begins.

Or you wake up at three-thirty in the morning, the house is quiet. Outside an owl is hooting. The papers from work are by your bed. You’ll be at the conference in just a few hours. And promptly, the strangeness of it all, of being alive, of being you, of leading your sort of life, of no longer being the child you once were, of having one day to die, hits you. Your heart starts racing, your palms begin to sweat; you give way to panic.

Panic attacks are commonly interpreted, by society at large but also by their confused, guilty or shamed sufferers, as an illness close to madness: the result of a mysterious chemically-based flaw in the brain that severs us from reality and normalcy. The suggested treatment is therefore medical, involving forceful attempts to dampen and anaesthetise parts of the misfiring mind.

Yet, such an interpretation – however kind in its intentions – depends on a prior, and not necessarily unassailable or wise assumption: that the normal response to the conditions of existence should and must be measured calm. However, when we look imaginatively at what is actually going on in our minds as anxiety mounts, we have to conclude that we are at such points acutely sensitive to what are a host of genuinely worrying things. Our anxiety may be unhelpful and socially problematic. But it is not, for that matter, necessarily unfounded or delusional – a thought that can spare us, if not panic itself, at least the secondary debilitating concern that we have lost our minds.

The root cause of an anxiety attack is something both troublesome and intensely accurate and beautiful-in-origin: sensitivity. Our thoughts may be very disturbing but they are not unreasonable or devilish. In our hellish moments, we’re picking up on some fundamental aspects of the human condition that we otherwise brutishly keep at bay in a world that insists on cheerful blitheness as the default mode. Flying truly is a properly implausible activity filled with genuine dangers which it takes a resolutely leaden mind not to notice. The average party does require us to present a radically simplified, inauthentic self to a succession of indifferent strangers. It is deeply odd that human beings (who once roamed the savannas) should congregate in deafening cuboid chambers, sucking small quantities of fermented fruit juice from transparent containers, while inside their brains unknown and possibly dark thoughts may circulate. It might not take much for these shadowy characters to gang up and assault us.

The very same sensitivity that lies behind our attacks is also and rightly at the heart of some of the most prestigious moments of culture. The same sense of the oddity of being alive – the weirdness of people, the uncertain brevity of life, the overwhelming vastness of the world of which we occupy such a minute portion, the bizarre condition of being a self-conscious creature, an animal that can turn its mental gaze inwards and track each moment and hold the years in comparison – has repeatedly been shared by the world’s most acclaimed artists, philosophers and poets.

In her great novel 'Middlemarch', the 19th-century English writer George Eliot, a deeply self-aware but also painfully self-conscious and anxious figure, reflected on what it would be like if we were truly sensitive, open to the world and felt the implications of everything (she was describing herself):

“If we had a keen vision and feeling of all ordinary human life, it would be like hearing the grass grow and the squirrel’s heart beat, and we should die of that roar which lies on the other side of silence. As it is, the quickest of us walk about well wadded with stupidity.”

It is, as Eliot recognises, both a privilege and a profound nightmare to be correctly attuned to reality, to hear that grass growing and that squirrel’s heart beating – and, also, by implication, to sense the judgement in the social encounter, the threat of the plane engine, the latent violence in the stranger’s stare, the enclosed nature of the meeting room. We might well, as she sometimes did, long for a little more ‘well-wadded stupidity’ to block it all out.

Nevertheless, Eliot’s lines offer us a way to reinterpret our anxiety with greater dignity and benevolence. It is not a sign of degeneracy. It is not the result of not seeing reality, but of not being able to put it out of one’s mind. It is – though difficult – a kind of masterpiece of insight, like a vision of a saint, where rare things not often heard or seen come into consciousness. It emerges from a dose of clarity that is (currently) too powerful for us to cope with – but isn’t for that matter wrong. We panic because we rightly feel how thin the veneer of civilisation is, how mysterious other people are, how improbable it is that we exist at all, how everything that seems to matter now will eventually be annihilated, how random many of the turnings of our lives are, how prey we are to accident; how ultimately surprising it is that our thoughts and feeling as tethered to vulnerable, tender packets of flesh and bone. Anxiety is simply insight that we haven’t yet found a productive use for, that hasn’t yet made its way into art or philosophy. It’s a mad world that insists that the anxious are the ones who have lost their minds.

Of course we sometimes panic. The greater question is why we ever believed we might not – and came to associate normality with robustness. Our panic attacks aren’t drawing us further from reality, they are an insistent tug back to it. We are in such a hurry to see anxiety as sick, we fail to notice its phosphorescent health. There might be fewer such attacks if a degree of alarm were more generally factored in as a legitimate, constant response to the oddity of flying, going to parties or more widely, of being alive.

We should never exacerbate our suffering by trying to push our disquiet aggressively away. Our lack of calm isn’t deplorable or a sign of weakness. It is simply the justifiable expression of our mysterious participation in a disordered, uncertain world.

Source: http://www.thebookoflife.org/the-normality-of-anxiety-attacks/

I dont find it a mental illness so much as a lack of restraint and discipline , the notion that this planet is a dangerous place where anything can happen , from walking under a bus to crashing down is one that developes into your maturity , not being able to handle these facts of life is a sign one has not mastered reality as much as one would like. Although i must say i dont jump of chairs the way i used to , knowing the pain of a broken joint now Also notice how the anxiety subsides when one has the responsibility for others , meaning , when i am flying a plane and i get a panic attack , i restrain myself , keep my feelings from others and get the plane safely on the ground , i can then go home crawl in a corner and cry my eyes out. I know this sounds rather harsh but embracing fear is not what i would like to encourage in people but more trying to find a good way of handling your feelings , there is nothing wrong with being afraid but you have to consider not only the effect it has on you ( feeling paralized , not coming to your full potential , missing out on things , settling for second best) but also the effect on others ( creating a feeling of unsafety , aloof behaviour , seeming unreliable, demanding understanding by proxy) This does not mean i dont recognize anxiety as a crippling state of life , it just means i dont see it as a permant state i advice people to stay in. Its very hard to place yourself in that position and not be judged whether you are anxious and give in to it , or like me are anxious and try to take the plunge anyway. Either way , people will have their ideas about this ...

Serenity wrote: I dont find it a mental illness so much as a lack of restraint and discipline

I don't know where to begin on how dangerous this viewpoint can be.

steamboat28 wrote:

Serenity wrote: I dont find it a mental illness so much as a lack of restraint and discipline

I don't know where to begin on how dangerous this viewpoint can be.

I urge you to try , i am here to understand , not to force my opinion down peoples throats , my opinion may very well be dangerous and i would like you to explain why ?

I think Alan makes a good point here. It seems to me that the presence of such anxiety is a sign of high intelligence, high awareness, and even high wisdom in many respects. It's a state of being in which one is impressively removed from many of their auto-societal conditioning, conditioning that says "The world expects you to be not only completely okay about this, but also to comply, conform, and fall in!" Your higher instincts come to know better that things are not simple enough in such circumstances to just be able to numb out all of the particular facts in the moment.

I would say that with such instinctual insight can also come a requirement for the ability to handle it and work with it and use it in a functional manner, much of the time on-the-fly, which is really no easy task.

It's easy to think that your only options are to 1. freak out and panic, or 2. block it all out and pretend none of it exists in order to function. I don't really buy that those are the only two options (even if you can't deny they are options anyway, as not-horribly-wise as they may be). I kind of feel like its important to communicate to yourself what your spidey senses are telling you, and make someone else around you aware that they are tingling, and use that communication to satisfy the validation that your anxiety needs in order to complete itself. It is of course a kind of fear, but that fear can be put at bay with the process of developed courage when needed, which is known to include facing that fear - a process of mindfully learning how that fear works, what it is actually doing and why it is doing what it is doing in order to know for sure if you really are in danger and should flee, or if it really is too insignificant to need completely agreeing with. I think one can accept the council of one's fear without directly agreeing with it, afterall, since in the future, that same fear may well be something needed to be agreed with to keep you safe and alive.

I am in favour of facing your demons and here is why , i might have been too harsh in my statement of discipline and restraint , althought facing your demons require these to be handled aswell as a loving enviroment to release the tension and fear ( into the Force? )

But what does anxiety do to your brain and body ? It causes the body to prepare itself for fight or flight. This means that when you are in a situation of imminent actual threat, then the increased alertness and body response can be lifesaving, Do they however occur when trying to study , getting out of the house or even trying to call someone on the phone , it can interfere with what we want to do.

We still have not a full grasp of what happens in the brain of someone experiencing excessive anxiety. One line of research, is that it involves the prefrontal cortex and the amygdala – a key region of the brain involved in learning and memory, as well as in the physiological and behavioural responses to fear. So if anxiety is a sighn of intelligence which research seems to support. Its contra productive. But i could have worded my initial response with more understanding , and i apologize for that.
In someone with an anxiety problem, it seems, the brain is making incorrect decisions about what to fear and the prefrontal cortex fails to suppress the amygdala, putting the body into fight or flight mode. In this state, levels of the hormone adrenaline rise and the sympathetic nervous system – which controls automatic activities (like breathing) rather than conscious action – takes over. The heart rate rises, breathing speeds up and blood is diverted to the limbs, blood pressure and body temperature increase, and you may start to sweat. Cortisol levels rise and you find yourself in a unhealthy level of stress. This clearly does not contrubute to learning or understanding , even if you try to understand what is going on around you , the information is likely to short circuit in your brain leading to information not being processed properly and it can even affect your memory. Your intelligence working against you.

So intelligence being a very attractive feature also means that you are intelligent enough to find help facing your inner demons and lead a more satisfying and productive life , would you wish to do so ( reading books all day and staring at the sea included if wanted )

Hey everyone, this very interesting

In my opinion, this topic is also about Enjoying More Life and how we attribute meanings, because failure teach us what to adjust.
And in a certain percentage, is the chemical aspect, some people are conditioned to over react, then: "more things are labeled as dangerous", it is like the alarm button gets stuck = extra stress. And too much tension creates wear.

So, If I want to feel different I need to find the way to evolve with HARMONY

Intensity and frequency are another way to create proportion/dimension of the "alarm signal"

Meantime, peace for everyone and happy dancing

Serenity wrote:

steamboat28 wrote:

Serenity wrote: I dont find it a mental illness so much as a lack of restraint and discipline

I don't know where to begin on how dangerous this viewpoint can be.

I urge you to try , i am here to understand , not to force my opinion down peoples throats , my opinion may very well be dangerous and i would like you to explain why ?

Viewpoints like this stigmatize both mental illness and the medications used to treat it.

steamboat28 wrote:

Serenity wrote:

steamboat28 wrote:

Serenity wrote: I dont find it a mental illness so much as a lack of restraint and discipline

I don't know where to begin on how dangerous this viewpoint can be.

I urge you to try , i am here to understand , not to force my opinion down peoples throats , my opinion may very well be dangerous and i would like you to explain why ?

Viewpoints like this stigmatize both mental illness and the medications used to treat it.

How? I did not judge mental ilnesses or medications , in fact ...you just did !

You literally said "I don't find it [anxiety] a mental illness..."

steamboat28 wrote: You literally said "I don't find it [anxiety] a mental illness..."

The rest of the quote is important.

EDIT: It is apparent there is a communication breakdown on this point, not so much someone trivialising mental health.

As someone who suffers from GAD, I can assure you that the rest of the quote is not, in fact, important. Restraint and discipline help with people who are anxious, but do little to nothing to help people with anxiety. There is a difference. A marked difference.

Sorry Steam but two can play that game

Viewpoints like this stigmatize

We can all take a fraction of what someone said and turn it into sometihing that affirms their stance but , my opinion was asked by V on the subject and i have since posted a few times explaining my stance i therefor decline your accusation ....

Anyway i responded to the article that for me is not conclusively about the DSM 5 definition of Anxiety disorders or about feelings of anxiety wihich is a different area all together. That we can agree on.

steamboat28 wrote: As someone who suffers from GAD, I can assure you that the rest of the quote is not, in fact, important. Restraint and discipline help with people who are anxious, but do little to nothing to help people with anxiety. There is a difference. A marked difference.

I know someone (no name or relation for their privacy (also using them, their pronouns for this narrative)) who currently suffers from several stress, anxiety, and panic disorders. It will, eventually, kill them. This person already knows how they will, most likely, die... and it isn't natural.

But, despite these disorders that will kill them, they continue forward and have learned to handle these episodes through training (They can literally pass out on command, you can't be stressed or anxious when you're unconscious). It is, in essence, discipline and restraint from letting it control them that is extending their life.

Yes, this isn't the case for everyone. I suffer from some pretty severe depression. I know how to handle it now. It still affects me, as this person's disorders still affect them... but we can control it, rather than let it control us.

So I've been really digging into anxiety for a very very long time because I suffer from Anxiety Disorder and panic attacks all the time. I'm going to try and explain this, please bear with me because it's like trying to describe with words what's only felt.

Anxiety exists on a scale for everyone. It's a response that keeps us safe. If you see a bear in the woods, she's bearing her fangs at you and roaring, what do you do? Most people's Fight or Flight (or Freeze) response kicks in without another thought. Why? Why didn't you stand and assess the situation? Remove the fear response from the picture and you'd probably end up with an internal dialog that sounds like this.

"Hey look! There's a fuzzy thing there. Oh I think it's a bear. What pretty fur! Oh she's standing up and showing me her teeth. I think her fangs are as long as my forearm! That's cool! Oh she has quite the beautiful voice, wait I think she's angry...maybe I should-" and then the voice ends because the owner got mauled

Instead the brain goes from DANGER right to flight/flight/freeze.

But when you walk into the woods, anxiety primes you for this. She whispers "Hey, you know there's bears in these hills. Keep an eye out" allowing you to stay on the edge of the fight/flight/freeze response so you're ready. That level of anxiety will differ from person to person (assuming here that they have the same experience with woods and bears). Some won't even give a damn, others will already have initiated that fight/flight/freeze response before even getting into the woods, some do it when another simply suggests going for a hike.

I read a study that said it was useful (evolutionary speaking) to have people with high anxiety in your group. They saw the dangers first (because they were more keen to look for them)

The brain has shortcuts for fear responses. It takes the experiences in your life, decides if it was good or bad, and skips the thought process the next time it encounters something similar and just sends you the signals.

It's like creating shortcuts in a word browser. You can start from your home page, type in www.templeofthejediorder.org, click forum, click index, click general forum, click health, physical fitness, and wellbeing, then click on this thread to get there. Or you can save it as a shortcut if you've found you come here often enough.

People who suffer from an anxiety disorder have the kind of brain that gets shortcut happy. It gets to a point where you don't even know WHY you've triggered the fight/flight/freeze response. All you know is you want to run and it feels like there's no reason for it. I sat in the car once for an hour because I had to turn in a library book and that triggered a panic attack. Just the other day I had a mild panic attack trying to decide what soda I wanted to drink with lunch.

I felt I was torn with indecision. I wanted to run, but I had to do this, but it was scary and I didn't want to, but ... it was worse when I wasn't on meds for it. I couldn't even approach an employee at a store to ask the location for what I wanted except after scoring the store two or three times over, and really needing the item. Otherwise I'd leave without it. And when I did approach someone, my legs felt weak with fear.

To help combat this, before I got into the therapy (which I'm still continuing) and the medicines I needed, I was the most disciplined person you'd ever met. It was one of the most difficult times in my life. I was constantly tired, constantly frustrated, and found little joy in life. Everything I had was going into that discipline in order to do what I thought I needed to do to be an adult in life. It left very little to nothing to myself to actually enjoy much of anything. And I still ran out of spoons/energy/will only to be pounced by Anxiety again anyways. I later realized that it's better to work WITH my problems than fight against them (usually)

If this sounds familiar to you, please go get professional help if you have the ability. It took me years of my partner poking me and then wanting to go myself to finally get the nerve to go. And I actually went in for ADHD instead of anxiety and depression. I think it was an excuse to work around that anxiety response. But I gotta say my life is worlds better with therapy and medication. I was passively suicidal a little over a year ago. Now those thoughts are very very rare and fleeting. There's no shame in seeking help and you deserve to get to live the happiest life you are able.

ok Kitten is up and I don't have the time to re-read this so I hope it makes sense I welcome any questions here or PM about this or anything really

It makes great sense to me Kit , your hard work and discipline to get better humbles me , and we are very lucky that there are medicines to help you. I am very happy that your endurance and therapy have worked for you and i hope that people will see your example and find help and stop hiding , because that is what i did , untill i got help , and that is what many of us do.

Thank you for your beautiful example Kit

I dont find it a mental illness so much as a lack of restraint and discipline , the notion that this planet is a dangerous place where anything can happen , from walking under a bus to crashing down is one that developes into your maturity , not being able to handle these facts of life is a sign one has not mastered reality as much as one would like.

The fullness of this quote is indeed important. Your suggestion that anxiety and panic attacks come from lack of restraint and discipline is similar to a sort of "get over it" attitude. I realize you may not have meant it as such and though you may have overcome your anxiety using those coping tools, what you have just said to others is that their experience and their coping tools are not valid. Again, I realize you may not have meant it as such.

I understand, Serenity, that you were engaging in a discussion in a discussion forum. I value your opinion of mental illness. I value the tools you have used to overcome and we could all take a page from your book, but your opinion is pathologizing and brings up strong feelings for individuals that experience anxiety and panic every day. You’ve begun a good discussion I hope we can all participate in as a part of learning.
Here is my experience:
I work with a lot of people with a lot of invisible disabilities. It’s easy for people who have the control of their care or income to dismiss their legitimate symptoms as something that can just be "dealt with" and when they come to me, they are at the end of their rope. I spend 3 hours listening to just one person, validating them, reminding them that they are valued and listened to. Teaching them about coping tools, etc. I can count the times i have had a panic attack. I'm no expert. I listen. Whatever they say they need, I believe them. People who come to me often tell me it was the last place they hoped they'd end up. Mental Illness generally, and anxiety and panic specifically, have absolutely nothing to do with the people who experience them. Its not their fault they are there any more than its someone's fault they tripped and broke their arm. We think about it as such and we create policies with that narrative in mind
What the author is trying to do is remove the pathology of anxiety and panic attacks so that we people who do not experience them can create a more accepting world by permitting anxiety and panic, by allowing people to say "no" without belittling their answer, by giving them a chance to choose to do something little by little or not at all and not faulting them in the least

I value your opinion as ever Rosalyn and i want to say i already learned a lot from what i have read here , if i gave anyone the impression that all they had to do was practise discipline and restraint i sincerly regret that , all i wanted to do is point out these tools that others have confirmed they use and they are effective. I am not jugging mental illness , i am not judging medicines , i encourage people getting help. I sincerly hope people go out and find the help they need , i merely express how i think about it and also stressed to correct me when i am wrong or overstepping. I also think provoking strong feelings is not a bad thing.

*bows*

I also think provoking strong feelings is not a bad thing.

Your last point here is quite a good thing to have a discussion over. Can I create another thread?