Ganymede progression

I have heard this term from time to time on Jedi sites but I have never really seen a clear explanation as to what it is?

So Im asking,

What is it?
What content is it made up of?
What are its origins?
How does it relate to Jediism?

I'm confused because while Ganymede was a divine hero in Greek mythology he was also the model for the Greek social custom of paiderastía, which is the socially acceptable romantic relationship between an adult male and an adolescent (teenage) male. So yea, Im confused! lol

When I did this in my apprenticeship it was a list of topics that you write essays about with the focus of introspective analysis and contemplation, kind of a way to self explore, self analyze things about yourself you don't normally think about and how you feel about what you come up with. It's not meant to be a dictionary analysis but a personal analysis so your focus is literally how you personally feel about it, how you personally use it or don't use it kind of thing. Used for self-growth. Often a 750 word minimum essay followed by a discussion of each topic and usually when done within apprenticeships you have to do a minimum amount usually 10-12 out of a list of like 18-20. It's a great tool to see where you are on things and if there is anything you wish to improve upon yourself.

A lot of the chapters out of my holocron document was actually created from results of those lessons.

Here's a link to the actual lesson: https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Lessons--Topics/107764-the-ganymede-progression

Some people do these during Apprenticeship, but a lot of Knights do them as well. I've seen people go through the entire list, or just focus on the areas that they feel they need work in. I'm not sure where the name comes from.

Thanks but what is it?

Senan that link is forbidden for me.

Why is it named that and where did it come from?
Whats in it?

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Thanks but what is it?

A set of degree scheme lessons.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Senan that link is forbidden for me.

Yeah, it's in the teaching forum. As Senan and Tom said, Knights can do them as part of their B.Div. work, or can assign them to their Apprentices.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Why is it named that and where did it come from?

Why, I don't know. Where, unless I am gravely mistaken, is from Alex.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Whats in it?

33 lessons that prompt the person taking them to look deeply inside themselves to identify their values, fears, behavior patterns, "character defects", etc.

If may help - contact Alex as these are his group of lessons . He may be able to clarify much better.


https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/community/10284-alexandre-orion

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: Senan that link is forbidden for me.

Whoops! I forgot that sometimes I'm in a Fort Knox/Bat Cave/Chamber of Secrets part of the forum when I copy links. My bad. I PM'd you more info.

Just something Alexandre Orion produced (and named) AFAIK, a set of particular lessons/tasks.

That is exactly what I asked when Maitre tasked me with picking 10 to do for my current Apprentice Lesson. I didn't get an answer :laugh:

What is it?
What content is it made up of?
What are its origins?
How does it relate to Jediism?

Its a list of 33 topics, for example: Happiness, Acceptance, Respect, Conscience etc etc.

I have absolutely no clue about its origins.

I guess its relation to Jediism is in the way it forces you to self reflect and question your opinions on those topics?

Brick wrote: That is exactly what I asked when Maitre tasked me with picking 10 to do for my current Apprentice Lesson. I didn't get an answer :laugh:

I have absolutely no clue about its origins.

I guess its relation to Jediism is in the way it forces you to self reflect and question your opinions on those topics?

Seems its a big mystery!! I wonder why?
I was asked to do this at one point as well and initially it sounded good but the more I thought about it the more questions I had. I tried to get answers before as well and I got nothing back. It was really weird to me so I declined the lesson.

What did you find so weird about it that made you decline the lesson?

The only thing I think that's weird about it is the name. The rest of it seems pretty standard, I mean half the IP is basically 'write about your thought and feelings on *insert topic here*' :laugh:

There may have been some confusion about what you were able to view, or about how the information was conveyed to you. In this thread, i haven't posted the actual text of the lessons only because I don't want to tread on Steve's toes. But it's by no means a secret.

Brick wrote: What did you find so weird about it that made you decline the lesson?

The only thing I think that's weird about it is the name. The rest of it seems pretty standard, I mean half the IP is basically 'write about your thought and feelings on *insert topic here*' :laugh:

Well yeah, stuff like that is in the IP... but I've been against such things in the AP and beyond for a while now. I dunno, just feels way too low level for knights and knights-in-training.

I've done stuff like it in my apprenticeship, with the chakras, but it isn't just my "thoughts and feeling about x topic", but a in depth analysing of my emotions, stresses, ect ect. That seems more on par of the higher standard that should be set beyond the IP. To regress down into IP level stuff after the IP just feels... meh.

Arisaig wrote:

Brick wrote: What did you find so weird about it that made you decline the lesson?

The only thing I think that's weird about it is the name. The rest of it seems pretty standard, I mean half the IP is basically 'write about your thought and feelings on *insert topic here*' :laugh:

Well yeah, stuff like that is in the IP... but I've been against such things in the AP and beyond for a while now. I dunno, just feels way too low level for knights and knights-in-training.

I've done stuff like it in my apprenticeship, with the chakras, but it isn't just my "thoughts and feeling about x topic", but a in depth analysing of my emotions, stresses, ect ect. That seems more on par of the higher standard that should be set beyond the IP. To regress down into IP level stuff after the IP just feels... meh.

This is by no means IP level stuff. Unless one's responses to it are IP level. But that's not baked into the program.

Atticus wrote:

Arisaig wrote:

Brick wrote: What did you find so weird about it that made you decline the lesson?

The only thing I think that's weird about it is the name. The rest of it seems pretty standard, I mean half the IP is basically 'write about your thought and feelings on *insert topic here*' :laugh:

Well yeah, stuff like that is in the IP... but I've been against such things in the AP and beyond for a while now. I dunno, just feels way too low level for knights and knights-in-training.

I've done stuff like it in my apprenticeship, with the chakras, but it isn't just my "thoughts and feeling about x topic", but a in depth analysing of my emotions, stresses, ect ect. That seems more on par of the higher standard that should be set beyond the IP. To regress down into IP level stuff after the IP just feels... meh.

This is by no means IP level stuff. Unless one's responses to it are IP level. But that's not baked into the program.

I guess. I just see people working through these lessons and their responses aren't really what I'd consider good enough. But oh well, prolly why I'm not in charge of education here.

Arisaig wrote:

Atticus wrote: This is by no means IP level stuff. Unless one's responses to it are IP level. But that's not baked into the program.

I guess. I just see people working through these lessons and their responses aren't really what I'd consider good enough. But oh well, prolly why I'm not in charge of education here.

If the Ganymede Progression is something you choose to adapt with your own Apprentices someday, or choose to tackle yourself, you'll have the benefit of seeing the entirety of the work and the conversations about the work, rather than just what is recounted in a semi-public journal. My own journal doesn't adequately convey the depth of the spiritual awakening I have found here; even my capstone document is pretty much the 10% of the iceberg that one can see from the surface.

I've been tempted to try it, but I'm not sure if I'm ready for it. It's a lot of work and a lot of effort and a lot of potential navel-gazing i might not be prepared to handle.

Brick wrote: What did you find so weird about it that made you decline the lesson?

The only thing I think that's weird about it is the name. The rest of it seems pretty standard, I mean half the IP is basically 'write about your thought and feelings on *insert topic here*' :laugh:

I especially want to know the origin of the name and the deeper intent behind that. The other thing I did not like was the fact I found out there are like 30 to 40 terms in the lesson and I was given only 10. I didnt like that fact I could not choose and that others had judged me in such a way as to just decide I needed those. This came from someone who had NO interaction with me previously and I felt it was an unfair assessment.

Beyond that it seems like a bit of busy work. I would much rather approach those things organically as they appear in my life and then evaluate vs having to force feed myself information with a goal of artificial regurgitation. It lacks context in that form and I find it ineffective.

I haven't completed any of these officially yet, but it is my understanding that what makes the Ganymede Progression different than the IP lessons is that the responses are not only written, but also intended to be discussed with a Teacher and regularly revisited. As we encounter different emotions and experiences in our lives, we can go back to these lessons and see how our perception of each concept has changed, progressed, etc. We can also discuss which areas we need more understanding of when we find ourselves failing at something consistently. I think the actual discussion taking place one on one about the responses would be the most valuable part, but this needs to take place inside of the trusted Teacher/Mentor partnership and will likely never be seen or acknowledged by anyone else. The written work may appear to be lacking on the surface, but the deeper conversations behind them may be much more valuable.

I do agree with you, Kyrin, that we need to be careful as teachers about assuming which lessons in the GP are more appropriate than others for our students. We can make suggestions, but ultimately I believe the student should engage in some real self reflection and decide which lessons are most applicable to their current situation. I'd be happy to go through these with you as our time permits and compare our responses. We could probably help each other see things we may be missing when we try to scrutinize ourselves.