Connor Lidell, Licensed Minister, Ceremony, 2013

There will be a ceremony in chat on

Sunday 13th January

at

2130UTC

to welcome Connor Lidell into the clergy as a Licensed Minister.

This will form part of the monthly live service - please see here for further details.

Note: This ceremony never took place. Just for the record.

Yet you are a licensed minister? A Bishop should have conducted a ceremony before your clergy rank was changed. What happened?

I couldn't make it that day (due to a class being reschedule, I think), and V-Tog told me she would try and reschedule it. She never did.

I only mention it because I'm not sure how imperative it is that we hold the ceremony.

The licenced minister position is not yet 'ordained' and thus no ordination ceremony by a Bishop is necessary. When you are knighted, there will most likely be an ordination ceremony immediately after your knighting ceremony.

That is how it worked with me.

Why would it not be imperative? :huh:

It is an important day and we should celebrate.

:laugh:

hahaha. I wasn't trying to be all "I DIDN'T GET MY CEREMONY, GIVE IT TO ME!!!"

I just wanted it to be on record that it didn't happen. Because I care about things being accurate. lol.

An ordination ceremony must be done by a bishop by (US)law... But licensed ministers must go through a ceremony as well (here anyway). not only is it a symbol of them joining clergy, but one does not simply automatically become clergy upon completion of the training programme. What seals the deal is the ceremony. After which the rank change is to be done.

Funny though, I don't remember either Sajjad or Darren having a ceremony ...

... and I was never a licensed minister.

Nevertheless, the clergy ranking and duties associated to those are the first item on tomorrow's meeting agenda ; we'll discuss that then.

Alexandre Orion wrote: ... and I was never a licensed minister.

Neither was I, because I was a Knight I was simply just promoted straight to Deacon (though that shouldn't be the sole reason to skip Licensed Minister)

Only people who aren't knights yet get to be licensed ministers. (in the current system anyway) But that doesn't negate the need for a ceremony. I havent been to many live services this year, what we used to do is mix a live service with a promotion, even sometimes starting with the promotion and letting the newly licensed minister finish the service.

I though Sajjad was supposed to be under the supervision of a clerical mentor?


edit: actually, I've been to a real promotion (licensed minister) and we did mix a service with the promotion in real life as well.

I though Sajjad was supposed to be under the supervision of a clerical mentor?

Wait, is that relevant? haha

Also, what is the "need" for the ceremony. Does it involve a vow of some kind that I never took?

To clarify, master jestor is my mentor for what ren mentioned.

And it's not necessary, I remember v told me we can schedule a ceremony...

At least it wasn't necessary at that time

I freely admit that some aspects of the administration of the Clergy have been overlooked due to the varying situations. But one of the things that is on the agenda is to rectify any oversights and to establish a more solid structure.

In this vein, I will be arranging for people to have the ceremonies and to take the vows that were neglected.

It is my opinion that the announcements of any such appointments should serve as temporary acceptance until ceremonies can be arranged.

As far as I know a ceremony is not required to license a minister but it's certainly welcome. Any clergy can conduct a ceremony celebrating a licensing with Council authorization. An ordination for a Deacon or Bishop is during a ceremony, usually public, conducted by a Bishop. For a good reason an ordination may be a small private ceremony. If so a celebration service may be held later. There's a question of what's necessary for a Priest.

After all this, I think we should have a huge ceremony with a parade after and whatnot.