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Should Voting Be Compulsory?
19 Aug 2012 07:14 #70691
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I see it like this.
I don't have the time for politics, looking into each sides story and so forth.
& They all pretty much want one thing, control and domination.
They go about things a totally different way also.
I don't have the time for politics, looking into each sides story and so forth.
& They all pretty much want one thing, control and domination.
They go about things a totally different way also.
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19 Aug 2012 07:29 - 19 Aug 2012 07:59 #70692
by Adder
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Yep! I like the way it is in Australia - you have to turn up and do the deed, but you can always fudge it so it will not count and no-one will ever know. If you cannot turn up on the day, you do it before hand in the week prior, or by post.
The point is not to force people into making a decision, its to force people to make the effort to turn up. Once people are forced to turn up then its easy to get some sort of opinion out of them. It exerts a force against the apathy of people who might have an opinion but cannot be bothered to get off the couch and have a say.
The point of the election is to gauge the wishes of the population, not which party can motivate the most people behind a campaign. The influence of expensive, celebrity type political campaign's is going to exist whether voting is compulsory or not, so I do not think this question addresses that particular problem.
So for me compulsory voting is the kick in the butt needed to get a better representation of what the broader community might actually think on an issue. I do not think that interferes with a persons freedoms anymore then the other law's we are required to follow designed to maintain a smooth running society.
The point is not to force people into making a decision, its to force people to make the effort to turn up. Once people are forced to turn up then its easy to get some sort of opinion out of them. It exerts a force against the apathy of people who might have an opinion but cannot be bothered to get off the couch and have a say.
The point of the election is to gauge the wishes of the population, not which party can motivate the most people behind a campaign. The influence of expensive, celebrity type political campaign's is going to exist whether voting is compulsory or not, so I do not think this question addresses that particular problem.
So for me compulsory voting is the kick in the butt needed to get a better representation of what the broader community might actually think on an issue. I do not think that interferes with a persons freedoms anymore then the other law's we are required to follow designed to maintain a smooth running society.
Last edit: 19 Aug 2012 07:59 by Adder.
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19 Aug 2012 08:22 #70695
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One of the problems with compulsory voting, as I see it, is that you are likely, rather than engaging people, but to instead just bring about a 'sheep' philosophy
"Why did you vote for that party?"
"I don't really care but my parents always voted that way so..."
That's the sort of issue I have. While people might be compelled to look into which way they vote, some will treat it as a chore and go about it in very much a laissez-faire sort of way
Not too mention that if they don't really care they might just read a couple of articles on the media and go "yeah they seem alright" and make an uninformed vote
Now don't get me wrong. All of these things happen whether voting is compulsory or not! lol
I would just be wary of 'forcing', as it were, people into making an uninformed choice
"Why did you vote for that party?"
"I don't really care but my parents always voted that way so..."
That's the sort of issue I have. While people might be compelled to look into which way they vote, some will treat it as a chore and go about it in very much a laissez-faire sort of way
Not too mention that if they don't really care they might just read a couple of articles on the media and go "yeah they seem alright" and make an uninformed vote
Now don't get me wrong. All of these things happen whether voting is compulsory or not! lol
I would just be wary of 'forcing', as it were, people into making an uninformed choice
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19 Aug 2012 08:35 - 19 Aug 2012 08:35 #70696
by Adder
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Your right about the uninformed choice. Political parties seem more interested in saying whatever sounds good then being realistic and truthful, at least over here.
Last edit: 19 Aug 2012 08:35 by Adder.
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21 Aug 2012 15:23 #70961
by RyuJin
I agree both parties have done things to damage the democratic process...but as of lately the rupublicans have been most blatent....I think the whole "2 party" system is flawed....a true democracy should not be so limited. And most certainly should not be influenced by the almighty dollar but by the real issues, not fictitious "voter fraud"
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SeanChing wrote:
Wendaline wrote:
RyuJin wrote: Voting is an act of freedom and should therefore not be forced upon anyone...to do so robs it of the freedom of choice...
Having said that...american democracy is dying and the uber-conservative republicans are killing it with all their "voter purges" and special id requirements...all so they can ensure that the rich can continue to subjegate the poor
Yeah...it's just the "uber-conservative republicans" doing it. Sure. :whistle:
Thanks, Wendaline, for pointing that out. No, I don't think only the "uber-conservative republicans" are the ones interfering with the votings, Senior Knight Ryujin. I think that both parties have done wrong.
But let's not contaminate this respectful Temple by throwing political attacks on each other. We are all brothers and sisters of the same Jedi party, in my opinion.
I agree both parties have done things to damage the democratic process...but as of lately the rupublicans have been most blatent....I think the whole "2 party" system is flawed....a true democracy should not be so limited. And most certainly should not be influenced by the almighty dollar but by the real issues, not fictitious "voter fraud"
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Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
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Warning: Spoiler!
Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
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25 Aug 2012 21:02 #71362
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I don't think there should be any laws enforcing this. However, I do think it should be promoted further, as a common socially accepted thing, if not something that is universally morally accepted.
Voting is a right. If you value your freedom not to vote, then vote. That way you'll keep any tryannical politicians from getting elected and taking away more of your rights.
If you don't vote, other people decide who will be your politicians and will make your decisions for you. Make your government work for you though. Voter turn out isn't usually very high. If everyone voted, then I believe that more of the politicians will have views that further represent the people's views.
Look at how many people are currently dissatisfied with politics. Why are there no Libertarians elected to office. Because not many Libertarians feel they have a chance of winning, so they don't even try. Then, the election results are one vote less than what that area's views really represented. Or, sometimes they'll just go with one of the two candidates more likely to win, so that really it's more of a vote against one of the two candidates they like less.
I think it's because we have this right so easily, that not many value it for what it's worth. I do envision a society where people enthusiastically vote as if election day were a holiday. Taking action and making decisions for themselves in which they're voting for the candidates that will protect their freedoms and make the government work for them, rather than people have to live in fear of their governments.
Voting is a right. If you value your freedom not to vote, then vote. That way you'll keep any tryannical politicians from getting elected and taking away more of your rights.
If you don't vote, other people decide who will be your politicians and will make your decisions for you. Make your government work for you though. Voter turn out isn't usually very high. If everyone voted, then I believe that more of the politicians will have views that further represent the people's views.
Look at how many people are currently dissatisfied with politics. Why are there no Libertarians elected to office. Because not many Libertarians feel they have a chance of winning, so they don't even try. Then, the election results are one vote less than what that area's views really represented. Or, sometimes they'll just go with one of the two candidates more likely to win, so that really it's more of a vote against one of the two candidates they like less.
I think it's because we have this right so easily, that not many value it for what it's worth. I do envision a society where people enthusiastically vote as if election day were a holiday. Taking action and making decisions for themselves in which they're voting for the candidates that will protect their freedoms and make the government work for them, rather than people have to live in fear of their governments.
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