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Surviving the Modern Jungle
28 Sep 2011 07:17 #42635
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"Rules! Hell, there are no rules here… We’re trying to accomplish something." – Thomas Edison
This quote has been a favourite of mine for many, many years.
I would love to hear what people think it means and how it applies.
My spoiler text is my rendition.
In my opinion, "rules" (at least within this quote) are the limitations put upon one by either themselves or others, and end up causing a narrowed view of the world, and a lessened range of thought. Mr. Edison was an innovator, and many of his ideas were considered preposterous at the time. Looking back, we call him a genius, but, then, he was considered a madman.
Ingenuity is often looked upon as an insanity because it does not fall within the temporal mindset.
A study in Sweden on Insanity and Genius
"The distinction between psychological illness and creative thinking is wafer thin, new Swedish research confirms, arguing that there is a feasible explanation for why the age-old myth of genius bordering on insanity could in fact be true. "
This leaves me pondering how the far future will regard the mindset of the present.
This quote has been a favourite of mine for many, many years.
I would love to hear what people think it means and how it applies.
My spoiler text is my rendition.
Warning: Spoiler!
In my opinion, "rules" (at least within this quote) are the limitations put upon one by either themselves or others, and end up causing a narrowed view of the world, and a lessened range of thought. Mr. Edison was an innovator, and many of his ideas were considered preposterous at the time. Looking back, we call him a genius, but, then, he was considered a madman.
Ingenuity is often looked upon as an insanity because it does not fall within the temporal mindset.
A study in Sweden on Insanity and Genius
"The distinction between psychological illness and creative thinking is wafer thin, new Swedish research confirms, arguing that there is a feasible explanation for why the age-old myth of genius bordering on insanity could in fact be true. "
This leaves me pondering how the far future will regard the mindset of the present.
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28 Sep 2011 08:01 #42640
by Adder
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My opinion is that rules should exist to speed up decision making, and they should exist within a matrix as a function of available time. If rules are inappropriate then they are bad rules or are being applied badly. Rules should not be automatic (or autocratic) restrictions, but instead be vehicles for keeping control when control is required. So I think Edison meant they were trying to create an unknown thing, outside existing frames of reference, that was deliberatly not under the influence of existing knowledge... an unnamed, new accomplishment which could only be called 'something'.
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28 Sep 2011 08:48 #42644
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@Sana, I like your rendition of the quote. I kind of take it like you, not rules as in "Thou shall not kill," but rules of normality. Edison was quite the eccentric man, and this quote is about challenging the rules of societies norms. "Were trying to accomplish something." I don't care how society views me, I'm trying to do something that changes the world. Perfect example, the Wright borthers. The old rule was, man will never fly. Yet here are 2 guys who says "Screw that, we can totes do this!" and changed the way travel was forever.
Look at me, rambling on. :blush: Oh well. That how I take it.
Look at me, rambling on. :blush: Oh well. That how I take it.
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28 Sep 2011 09:26 #42649
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I was not taking it as in moral rules, but as in rules of social, normal, and "the Box"
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29 Sep 2011 07:28 #42702
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To a point, but I think that there are different codes for handling social and logical circumstances.
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29 Sep 2011 10:12 #42713
by Jestor
On walk-about...
Sith ain't Evil...
Jedi ain't Saints....
"Bake or bake not. There is no fry" - Sean Ching
Rite: PureLand
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Current Apprentices: Viskhard, DanWerts, Llama Su, Trisskar
Former Apprentices: Knight Learn_To_Know, Knight Edan, Knight Brenna, Knight Madhatter
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Rules, are a way of control....
We, as a society agree that rules should be a certain way...
By calling something a rule, society tells us it is bad to go against it...
Against the rules of nature...
against the rules of man...
The rules of nature are recognized patterns we take for a fact, and such, no deviation is right...
The rules of man, are the majority of people agreeing that something is right.. (Or a few people in power wanting control...)...
Like the saying is...
Rules are made to be broken...
Use your judgement...
We, as a society agree that rules should be a certain way...
By calling something a rule, society tells us it is bad to go against it...
Against the rules of nature...
against the rules of man...
The rules of nature are recognized patterns we take for a fact, and such, no deviation is right...
The rules of man, are the majority of people agreeing that something is right.. (Or a few people in power wanting control...)...
Like the saying is...
Rules are made to be broken...
Use your judgement...
On walk-about...
Sith ain't Evil...
Jedi ain't Saints....
"Bake or bake not. There is no fry" - Sean Ching
Rite: PureLand
Former Memeber of the TOTJO Council
Master: Jasper_Ward
Current Apprentices: Viskhard, DanWerts, Llama Su, Trisskar
Former Apprentices: Knight Learn_To_Know, Knight Edan, Knight Brenna, Knight Madhatter
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29 Sep 2011 10:58 #42716
by Angelus
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Rules represent something called civil liberty. It's the notion that one lives freely within the rules set down by the lawmakers. I think the purpose of any Jedi here is to achieve moral liberty, where one doesn't need to follow rules because their moral convictions either already comply with or supersede the rules. For example, in my world of moral liberty, the law cannot tell me that I cannot marry another man if I so choose, but my own convictions will not allow me, so to speak, to murder someone.
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01 Oct 2011 06:37 #42820
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I like Jestor's way of explaining 
I concur also with Angelus, stating the ideals taught here at TOTJO and within the code/a person's moral convictions already comply with the ideals, to a point.
Let's apply the idea of "Rules" to the thought process.
Most people think within set patterns. Why are they set like this? How are they taught? Why do we continue to think in that manner?
Sana's Opinions
In my opinion, most people are given "strategies" and "formulas" for how to solve problems.
For instance, in mathematics, teachers demanded we complete equations in the manner they specified. In Grammar & Literature, teachers gave us a "template" to follow for essays. Other classes had specified ways of taking notes. Science is taught with the Scientific Formula. etcetc
Because of this, I am of the opinion our thought process, and ergo our ability to contemplate openly, is narrowed from the time we hit school, due to the constant drumming of "this is how you do this". Also, a debate I've had with my Pagan friends, our "reality" is narrowed from a child as we are told what is and is not "real". Our focus determines our reality. Our viewpoint determines our focus.
While these may be the best methods for teaching students the information that is needed, is it the best method for teaching people to THINK?
And yes, before the question is asked, I was one of those students that loved to annoy my teachers by finding other viable methods to do the aforementioned projects/etc. I also took my notes in shorthand and doodles, with lines connecting ideas. While perfectly understandable to me... well, let's say the teachers disagreed. And those were the "gifted" and "advanced" teachers who supposedly had gone through the training to deal with such situations.

I concur also with Angelus, stating the ideals taught here at TOTJO and within the code/a person's moral convictions already comply with the ideals, to a point.
Let's apply the idea of "Rules" to the thought process.
Most people think within set patterns. Why are they set like this? How are they taught? Why do we continue to think in that manner?
Sana's Opinions
Warning: Spoiler!
In my opinion, most people are given "strategies" and "formulas" for how to solve problems.
For instance, in mathematics, teachers demanded we complete equations in the manner they specified. In Grammar & Literature, teachers gave us a "template" to follow for essays. Other classes had specified ways of taking notes. Science is taught with the Scientific Formula. etcetc
Because of this, I am of the opinion our thought process, and ergo our ability to contemplate openly, is narrowed from the time we hit school, due to the constant drumming of "this is how you do this". Also, a debate I've had with my Pagan friends, our "reality" is narrowed from a child as we are told what is and is not "real". Our focus determines our reality. Our viewpoint determines our focus.
While these may be the best methods for teaching students the information that is needed, is it the best method for teaching people to THINK?
And yes, before the question is asked, I was one of those students that loved to annoy my teachers by finding other viable methods to do the aforementioned projects/etc. I also took my notes in shorthand and doodles, with lines connecting ideas. While perfectly understandable to me... well, let's say the teachers disagreed. And those were the "gifted" and "advanced" teachers who supposedly had gone through the training to deal with such situations.
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01 Oct 2011 13:23 #42833
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Are you a trafic signal or a detour? Discipline breeds moral and creativity, Ego slows a process but is sometimes good for realignment of vision...
Edison was a plagiarizing crook so he was probably trying to get a paten on someone else's work.
Edison was a plagiarizing crook so he was probably trying to get a paten on someone else's work.
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