Jediism History on Youtube

In continuation of BrJohns ideas - time in existance (hads to be verifiable)

Members numbers

Perhaps even a google ranking ?

Anyone else care to share ideas for this?

Jon wrote:

Even if I run the risk of unpopularity I see little importance in the collectivity of Jediism as presented in the video. The Jedi realism as presented in some other Jedi sites as I`ve seen kind of gave me an kind of \"amputated\" feeling of Jediism. So whereas CoJ seems to get quite a bit of flak, a community apparently with which you`d have to be a loon to identify with, I also don`t really identify with the others either. Also the history of Jediism I`ve experienced has absolutely nothing to do with that of the other sites. One site doesn`t accept the training nor the titles of the other, just to name one issue. So why not just leave us as individual communities instead of sqeezing the square peg through a round hole and trying to pull off the typical \"ecumenical christian\" stunt.

I think as a community, we have to agree to disagree.... Our path is not their path.... and Mark's path is not mine, and my 'Rite' is not his....

My point is that although we may not agree with their ways and teachings, We allow for people to explore their own paths, here.... So why not be accepting of others thoughts and beliefs on the other sites? And still be capable of communication... I understand CoJ was resistant... does that mean we should stop with all of them?

We have told people, (I know I have), that if they do not like it here, they know where the door is.... not everything is for everyone...

As a community of brothers and sisters, we, like a real blood family, arre not onna like every aspect of everyone....

By not wanting to acknowledge our brothers and sisters from other sites, their different thoughts and feelings, are we better than the people who judge us?

Kana Seiko Haruki wrote:
I like the ranks - I like the training - Im not ijto the Starwars bit personally - i like the freedom of expressive individuality the rites offer to those who feel them necessary - i dont like being thrust into a big pan of of mixed others and being told 'THIS is how you are gonna practise your faith now'


Me too, I wouldn't trade my experiances here for anything, I ventured to the other sites since my joining here.... This is my home... But, they would (I hope if they find what they are looking for), say the same about their home site.... Mark Anjuu wrote:


I think that organising a discussion between sites/groups would be good just to share ideas and connect. We can organise the \"Jediist directory\" at the same time. I think we all realise that the individuality of each Order and their practises should not be compromised. I wouldn't dream of telling another organisation how to practise their Jediism and I hope that they would not do the same to me!

Amen to that.....

Br John wrote:
Are you a religious order, a church, an interest group discussion site or a realist secular organization?

As a first step, legal status, to us this is important, to some, it would be the mission they are on... \"The Path\", \"The Way\".. whatever...... but they would probably want to list it different, this is why it is important to begin discussions first....

Jestor wrote:
I think as a community, we have to agree to disagree.... Our path is not their path.... and Mark's path is not mine, and my 'Rite' is not his....

My point is that although we may not agree with their ways and teachings, We allow for people to explore their own paths, here.... So why not be accepting of others thoughts and beliefs on the other sites? And still be capable of communication... I understand CoJ was resistant... does that mean we should stop with all of them?

We have told people, (I know I have), that if they do not like it here, they know where the door is.... not everything is for everyone...

As a community of brothers and sisters, we, like a real blood family, arre not onna like every aspect of everyone....

By not wanting to acknowledge our brothers and sisters from other sites, their different thoughts and feelings, are we better than the people who judge us?[/quote]

I couldn`t agree more with you Br. Jestor. Yes we are free, everyone is entitled to their position and be able to do just that. It would be even criminal (a crime against the liberty of the individual) if this were not the case. And yes why should we not communicate, hey I`m a big talker myself. I`m all for it, everyone here is free to join and do what ever their hearts desire dictates. Be happy! We could and have already had, before your time here, even ambassadors to other Jedi sites. Unfortunately for one reason or another nothing really ever happened. There didn`t seem to be enough interest shown from either the sites visited or from our ambassador. But hey this could change, maybe the people have changed. There is no reason why we shouldn`t try yet again.

The thing Br. Jestor is this, our form of Jediism is very closely knitted with faith, belief and religion. We have administrative rules which can be discussed and changed, just as we have Doctrine which can be discussed and changed. But I for one am not prepared to have what we do at the moment draged through the dirt by people who have their views and are not prepared to see eye to eye. And from my experience at other sites believe me there will be heated discussions similar to the one we just experienced. Are you prepared to stand a fight here, and eventually frighten off new members who are still trying to find their ground? I certainly am not. But of course if you can guarantee that everything will run like clockwork, and there will be no dirt campaigns I am always open to change, be my guest.

Just like there are many denominations in Christianity and (for example) The Roman Catholic Church considers them Christian and even accepts their baptisms as valid as well as their marriages, there are some sects which are so out of bounds that The Catholic Church does not consider them Christian even though they call themselves Christian.

One example is The Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints also known as The Mormons. God the Father having a physical body and being born on another planet as a baby and Jesus and Satan being brothers is so radically different along with their beliefs that Joseph Smith sits equal to God The Father and Jesus at the Final Judgement puts them out of bounds of Christianity. Even a neutral secular historian with no ax to grind would be hard pressed to put them in the realm of Christianity.

This Holyhead business is not Jediism by a long shot. There are many sincere Jediism organizations and Jedi Realist organizations that we'd agree at least are in the realm of Jediism.

Multiple times over the years we've had ambassadors and these getting together to discuss things have been tried with either no success or hurt feelings and much confusion to new members.

One complaint I've heard against us is that we are not loyal to the movies. That's right, \"Not loyal to the movies.\"

Others accuse us of being a stealth Christian organization.

Anyone who's been around here a little while knows that's absurd.

These are just some of my observations. It's 4:03am right now and I'm going to rest for awhile.

Does anyone live in New York city or are you able to visit The United Nations with enough notice ahead?

If anyone is able to do this please let me know and I'll explain.

Jon wrote:
The thing Br. Jestor is this, our form of Jediism is very closely knitted with faith, belief and religion. We have administrative rules which can be discussed and changed, just as we have Doctrine which can be discussed and changed. But I for one am not prepared to have what we do at the moment draged through the dirt by people who have their views and are not prepared to see eye to eye. And from my experience at other sites believe me there will be heated discussions similar to the one we just experienced. Are you prepared to stand a fight here, and eventually frighten off new members who are still trying to find their ground? I certainly am not. But of course if you can guarantee that everything will run like clockwork, and there will be no dirt campaigns I am always open to change, be my guest.

I see your point Fr. Jon, and Br. John.... Just because we are open to lines of communication, they may not be.... nor the newest one that may open tomorrow, or they day after....

It is easy to open a website domain for $20.... A physical world face-to-face is different than this virtual world where anyone can get a name and cause havoc...

And I am really new to this scene... I cannot (and should not) speak for others... I guess all we can do is be tolerant of the others and cautiously accepting, should they come offering a hand in friendship...... As they may not come with pure hearts....

No, I do not want to have, possibly forever, ongoing shindigs like we have going now with the Holyhead CoJ...

Definitly do not want to scare new members... I was hesitant when I started as that was near the last one...

I know it makes you, as sad as myself, that this is the way things are.... Maybe things will change....

Maybe they won't....

Stupid optimistic way I look at things.....

I bow to your judgement, and experiance in matters such as these...

I'm here if you need me....

Br. John wrote:

I like the digs at Holyhead CoJ Ltd.

You have a lot to learn.

Randi Oxford wrote:

Br. John wrote:

I like the digs at Holyhead CoJ Ltd.

You have a lot to learn.

I have a lot to learn about _____________. (What?)

I agree but do not know what you mean. Throw me a bone here so I know where to start.

John, I think its one of those mysterious yoda like wise statements, which is so wise and mysterious that no one can understand.

Jon wrote:

John, I think its one of those mysterious yoda like wise statements, which is so wise and mysterious that no one can understand.

Thank you. This made me laugh. You've made my day and I needed that.

A bone, you say?

Br. Phelan, you're words betray you. Perhaps you should think long and hard about what your statement says. Transparency is a good thing, do not mistake me. But the more discussion there is on Daniel Jones, the less Jedi you become.

You think Aletheia was throwing digs at the Church of Jediism? No, when I came in here I stated exactly what I meant: She is fed up with you (Br. Jon and Jones) both. The video was a dig at YOU. I suspect she was kind to Temple of the Jedi Order because there are a few members of this order she has the utmost respect.

Her basic message: You don't have a clue what you're doing, now fix it.