YOU FOOLISH PSEUDO JEDI

If I wanted to talk about something suitable for my childrens' ears, I would be talking to them directly.

Sorry to put it so bluntly to you guys but being a parent isn't just a state, it's a belief: that no one in the world is as good as your own kids.

So what side are you in agreement with? The side of, to my understanding, censoring ourselves with children in mind, or that we should be able to speak our mind without that boundary?

I have used the internet from a young age. Kids don't belong on it.

Also we should be able to discuss things without that boundary. Adults don't mingle or have meetings where kids are.

Things were better before the anti free speech generation.

ren wrote: I have used the internet from a young age. Kids don't belong on it.

Also we should be able to discuss things without that boundary. Adults don't mingle or have meetings where kids are.

Things were better before the anti free speech generation.

ABSOLUTELY! This mentality is pervasive! It's everywhere! I've found it at so-cake hard core LHP forums and Discord servers. I've found it in places that actually advertise being centers for free speech. Here... and at FA as well.

There was never any magical barrier that would pop up and wrap our mouths up so we couldn't speak. We just have a lot of communication between people who before would never have known each other existed. So many conflicting views... truly we can not be without pissing SOMEBODY off...and now we have to hear about it.

Presumably we all refer to "free speech" as discussing any idea or concepts, relevant in context, as we see fit as mature and dispassionate philosophers....(perhaps occasionally emphatic for effect)


not necessarily to rehearse the script of Deadwood in our best Pepe accents and then call upon the right to free speech once we are censured for being uncivil and needlessly inflammatory....

That sounds a lot like a kind of free speech, then, that only applies if the content is deemed "morally acceptable" in some archaic context and consequence free sense. Who gets to make that call, though? Why does anyone get to make it? What is the pragmatic benefit of such a condition?

Great questions and examples! I myself will discuss anything...ideas are never taboo with me, only certain practices. It takes a certain amount of development as a person to get there, though, and people who haven't gotten there still get a say...

That sounds a lot like a kind of free speech, then, that only applies if the content is deemed "morally acceptable" in some archaic context and consequence free sense. Who gets to make that call, though? Why does anyone get to make it? What is the pragmatic benefit of such a condition?

if you are responding to me - I do not in any way make comment on the moral acceptableness of any topic - merely the manner in which it is discussed.

I'm more than happy to discuss the benefits of making soup from babies, or why, on occasion, genocide might be the best option - as long as it is done civilly and sensibly.

JamesSand wrote: Presumably we all refer to "free speech" as discussing any idea or concepts, relevant in context, as we see fit as mature and dispassionate philosophers....(perhaps occasionally emphatic for effect)


not necessarily to rehearse the script of Deadwood in our best Pepe accents and then call upon the right to free speech once we are censured for being uncivil and needlessly inflammatory....

Needlessly by the judgment of who? I’m certain the person who exercised their right to speak freely didn’t find their words needless.

See, this is my issue with this whole mess. A person should be free to insult as they wish, just not threaten with criminal action. Honestly! It makes my blood boil to see EVERY forum and Discord, even “LHP” ones, require this asinine standard of behaviour.

I finally bit the bullet and designed my own forum because of this crap. I’ve had enough! I want people to have real freedom, free of easily offended fragile humans having ANY power to shut their free speech down.

JamesSand wrote:

That sounds a lot like a kind of free speech, then, that only applies if the content is deemed "morally acceptable" in some archaic context and consequence free sense. Who gets to make that call, though? Why does anyone get to make it? What is the pragmatic benefit of such a condition?

if you are responding to me - I do not in any way make comment on the moral acceptableness of any topic - merely the manner in which it is discussed.

I'm more than happy to discuss the benefits of making soup from babies, or why, on occasion, genocide might be the best option - as long as it is done civilly and sensibly.

You will... and then the leadership will make it known this isn’t an okay topic to discuss in a “family friendly” environment. Remember this. Your freedom of speech here is restricted to G rating. Great, isn’t it? *Eye roll*

I suppose there is reddit and such if 100% zero moderation is desirable...I've yet to find a board like that I find tolerable myself. I suppose the question is, is this an environment I want to be in and influenced by? Maybe that is the real conflict... does being here align with my expectations of being a Jedi? Will it help me grow to become more like the Jedi I wish to be?

As members and guest continue to merge here it is my hope we see that we speak differently here - as well as interact and share - we don’t do things every one else does or speak to every one the way other platforms do. Not dissing any other platform at all. Walk into a Temple - expect a Temple. As free as the door swing to welcome - is as free as it can be to leave as well on the individuals own accord.

Certainly. But that assumes everyone walking in knows what a Temple should be. Does it not stand to reason many of those who come to visit for the first time have no idea what behavior is common place, let alone acceptable?

Maybe a intro video is needed ......


Edit : FAQ on video ?

You make me smile, Carlos.

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: As members and guest continue to merge here it is my hope we see that we speak differently here - as well as interact and share - we don’t do things every one else does or speak to every one the way other platforms do. Not dissing any other platform at all. Walk into a Temple - expect a Temple. As free as the door swing to welcome - is as free as it can be to leave as well on the individuals own accord.

You read it here folks! This is a temple. Politics doesn’t belong, neither does free speech. If you’d not say it in the middle of a Christian service, don’t say it here. Ugh!!! Come on! It’s NOT a temple, it’s an Internet forum! Don’t kid yourselves.

You get to define that? Or is that what you see? Obviously, the format is "internet forum". Let's look at the actual difference ...who says what is acceptable. Who can enforce it. We should definitely make sure one is not fooled when then they come here...that would be anti-thesis to the site itself... but maybe there is a place where people agree with being respectful and uncombatative(if that is a word) in their statements. Why stay if that is not what your pursuing?

Second to that... No Temple is anything beyond a building somewhere(at its base description)...it is the People who hold it sacred, and treat it as such. No one wants what is important to them being crapped on. So really, when someone shows up and says "this isn't anything special" all they really are saying is that it isn't special to them...in that case, why stay?

You will... and then the leadership will make it known this isn’t an okay topic to discuss in a “family friendly” environment. Remember this. Your freedom of speech here is restricted to G rating. Great, isn’t it? *Eye roll*

You read it here folks! This is a temple. Politics doesn’t belong, neither does free speech. If you’d not say it in the middle of a Christian service, don’t say it here. Ugh!!! Come on! It’s NOT a temple, it’s an Internet forum! Don’t kid yourselves.

you're losing ground here...

This place it what it is, and whatever rough edges people find they try to adjust - either themselves, or the establishment, in subtle ways.

Coming in and kicking over the desks and spilling everyone's sandwiches and saying the whole premise of the activity is a sham isn't likely to have everyone suddenly become "woke" and grab their torches and pitchforks to march on city hall.....


but someone as smart as you already knows that, which leaves another reason as to your posts....