YOU FOOLISH PSEUDO JEDI

I told her I suspected I knew something and she basically confirmed I was correct. However, I still think she's just a troll.

Please note that she got banned too.

Mortose wrote: Whether I deserved it or not, I have no idea because I wasn't given a warning in my pm box, was I? Think about it. There is no "playing victim" here, only disgust and confusion.

I'm surprised that you're surprised you were banned. Carlos posted at least 2 warnings about what would happen to people found to be in breach of the ToS, myself and others asked you to stop being deliberately antagonistic, and that to continue doing so would likely result in a ban.

Your response to this was to either laugh, defend yourself by saying you having too much 'fun', or deflect by saying that Anime was equally in breach of the ToS. So now you're both banned.

Yes, I think it should've been handled differently. Yes, I think it's a shame because (when you're not being arse) I actually quite enjoy the discussion you bring to the forum. But I'm not remotely surprised the admin have done what they've done, I can't understand why you'd be surprised by it.

Brick wrote:

Mortose wrote: Whether I deserved it or not, I have no idea because I wasn't given a warning in my pm box, was I? Think about it. There is no "playing victim" here, only disgust and confusion.

I'm surprised that you're surprised you were banned. Carlos posted at least 2 warnings about what would happen to people found to be in breach of the ToS, myself and others asked you to stop being deliberately antagonistic, and that to continue doing so would likely result in a ban.

Your response to this was to either laugh, defend yourself by saying you having too much 'fun', or deflect by saying that Anime was equally in breach of the ToS. So now you're both banned.

Yes, I think it should've been handled differently. Yes, I think it's a shame because (when you're not being arse) I actually quite enjoy the discussion you bring to the forum. But I'm not remotely surprised the admin have done what they've done, I can't understand why you'd be surprised by it.

I didn't take that message seriously, since I didn't see I was doing anything too horrible to warrant a ban. Certainly nothing close to what I did when I was here over 22 months ago. As I said, a warning in my pm box would have been sufficient. I'd have paused and likely slithered back to my journal, watching my words more carefully. However, that didn't happen, just as my formal request wasn't honored. It didn't help that I had Jedi in my pm box, offering a place to vent and being told I'm welcome.

Manu wrote:

I told her I suspected I knew something and she basically confirmed I was correct. However, I still think she's just a troll.

Please note that she got banned too.

I'm aware she got banned. She was the only one who actually deserved it also, considering she was the one who initiated the entire conflict. I just treated the troll like a troll. I had fun.

Mortose wrote:
I didn't take that message seriously

Generally speaking, people don't repeatedly issues warnings or direct others to the ToS if they're not being serious

The lesson to take away from this experience, is that your behavior was unbecoming in a Jedi Church, for which we are first and foremost...

Where do you guys even find the energy?

Zenchi wrote: The lesson to take away from this experience, is that your behavior was unbecoming in a Jedi Church, for which we are first and foremost...

That's not a lesson, that's an excuse.

Also:

RyuJin wrote: For the past 2 days i've lost count of how many complaints we've received on you alone...and not just from one or two members...

Is being complained about against the rules, or what exactly makes that relevant here?

Being complained about isn't against the rules, however if we receive too many we will likely ban, if only to put a temporary end to the fishwifery.

It is noted a few spoke in support of Phoenix/mortose too.

So, in other words, being moderately unpopular is effectively a bannable offense. Might I suggest that this be noted down in the rules? That way, whoever registers here is expected to tacitly agree to the mob justice that reigns here. Maybe some confusion will be alleviated that way and this won't have to be explained every other time it happens.

I gave someone the benifit of the doubt, give an inch and some will take a mile. I do not know what I missed in these interactions being gone most of yesterday evening, Also, being it was directly said to this person that their behavior would be watched, I am not all that suprised.

Is it not obvious Gisteron? Not only here, but offline as well?

What "it", ren? Is what not obvious?

I think Ren is pointing to unpopular opinion being grounds enough for some. I have to admit it is why I stay was staying quiet a lot, First, this being apublic site in general any opinion I share contrary to the popular outrage puts my lively hood at risk, second I have over time grown fairly fond of this site and it's members I would prefer not be banned because I disagree with someone (that then turns into a group). I only say this because this is a truth I have seen in the past on both sides and well, there ya go.

That being moderately unpopular locks you out of places, that obeying the mob is necessary in order not to be burnt at the stake by said mob?

No, that's not obvious at all. Most places you can be banned from have rules upon which you can be that either explicitly include being disliked by whoever else happens to be inside, or they include no such condition at all. I have yet to come across a place out there from whence I'd be physically removed in my sleep in such a way that the gates are locked shut for my return come morning, but where putting on a sloppy disguise like a new user name grants me a magical passway through the shut gates.


Now, if you want to excuse this by saying this is how any other place operates, if you want to say that TOTJO is no better than the village that burns its visitors on the stake on popular demand, by all means, be my guest. I find that a rather morbid admission to make, and I'd object to the implication that almost every other place out there is just like that, too, but as one of its leaders you can say that of TOTJO, if that is how you wish to portray it...

Whilst I agree with what Gisteron is saying, it seems to me that being 'unpopular' is not the main reason for the banning. Both Phoenix/Mortose and Arinme breached the ToS numerous times and were advised that if they continued to do so, they would be banned. And yet they continued to do so.

I've seen my fair share of bannings here in the past, and whilst I've disagreed with some, and whilst reasons for banning like 'they were unpopular' or 'they were annoying me' get thrown around, I can't actually recall a time where someone banned purely for those reasons. There is almost always demonstrable evidence that they breached some kind of ToS.

HOWEVER, I do think that when we ban people we should notify them as to why they are banned, it would avoid threads like this which tend to pop-up EVERY TIME someone gets banned lol

In many cases people get banned for TOS breaches, and when anyone questions that it is clearly declared what rules were broken and by what action, like when they advertised to users or so, and that's usually the death of that thread.

And then there are threads that go on for multiple pages. It's curious how they tend to be about people with some notoriety, and that in the course of those threads the first and last thing that comes up is complaints and some vague sort of "misbehaviour" instead of anything specific. We are then of course to trust that the actual reasons are as concrete as tangible as in cases where we get to see them fully declared. And they had it coming anyway. And also this is what would happen any place else. And this is a church, mind you.

If there was anything to point to, we would have all seen it by now. Instead we see excuses and deflections.

I don't know... I don't understand wanting to stay if the "mob" is against me, anyway. Is it because on the internet there are no physical ramifications and that makes turning ones nose up at the haters easier than walking away? Is some attention, any attention, preferable to none? What would it do to my mind, to my soul, to constantly entertain an environment where I am seen as the bad guy? The few, rare moments someone admits they appreciated something I wrote?

I personally see nothing wrong with tailoring my behavior for the comfort of those around me. Does that make me fake or polite?

This is like a cold shower after a hot date. We were enjoying the thread that Phoenix started. Someone came into that thread and started to attack Phoenix. Yes, she got banned too but I think more attention should have been paid. She was even threatening the temple's tax exempt status. So now it looks like she got Phoenix banned even though she told me she wasn't a victim. I had someone cuss me out on this site and nothing happened to them as far as I know (all parties involved should be notified if anything is going to happen). But what Gisteron said does ring a bit true. If' you're unpopular you can be voted off the island. If you're popular... well perhaps you can't shoot someone on 5th avenue but you can get pretty close.

Personally, I think new rules should be created. I don't think guests should be held to the same standards as Jedi. I agree that sometimes you do need to use the power afforded by the system, but you have to be judicious and fair with how you apply it. These are powers that don't exist in the real world. If two people in the real world had an argument do the police take them both to jail? No. If it was in the Temple forum or the studies forum or somewhere we can all agree is more "holy" then absolutely do not tolerate any thing that doesn't fit with the atmosphere and seriousness of that space. But that said, there are different spaces for different types of communication. And I was told that Open Discussions was more of a free for all and basically snowflakes (paraphrasing) shouldn't post there. I've had numerous talks with people about creating a special place for debate so that we don't have to be limited by those who cannot handle more adult discussions and interactions.

On top of that we allow Sith and Grey, which I support. But I think we shouldn't simply allow them access to these open areas but allow them to live by their code in those areas that we allow them to post in. Let boys be boys and Sith be Sith. If we have a conflict, then I think the conflict should play out under certain conditions. In this case it was Phoenix's thread. So Phoenix should have had the right to defend it from someone trying to derail it with personal attacks. Had it been someone else's thread it would be like someone shooting at someone at someone else's house. But if it's your house and this person is an intruder... while I don't agree with trying to kill them, I do think the owner has a reasonable right to fight back against the person picking that fight. And if that's not the only reason for the ban, okay, but that reason, shouldn't be considered imo.