The DEATH of Kyrin Wyldstar

Well it seems I have been put on secret trial here and condemned to execution. I did not get a chance to even defend myself in this trial and so the result is nothing more than a kangaroo court. Ironically enough it started when I actually re-requested membership here so that I may volunteer to help out in the edu-admin dept, helping to develop the B-Div path for non-Knights. Not only was it voted that I not be made a member, they also voted to ban me forever. The charge against me used to ban me – incompatibility. Nothing more than a fancy puffed up word used to facilitate this leaderships own hypocrisy. I don’t believe in the Gods they believe in and so I am to be put to death as a result.

I don’t claim to know anything, I only claim to doubt. This is the very root of the idea that I know that I know nothing. Some claim this is the start of wisdom. But I do not know this to be true either. I only know that I am good at asking questions and exposing fallacy. These are not the acts of malice, they are the acts of compassion. If I did not care I would not take the time to even challenge you. But this has been regarded as disagreeable behavior at this temple and not allowed. But what is the result of disallowing dissenting opinion of a position or criticism of a body? It is preconceived bias not exploration. It is a cult mentality, not a temple of Jediism. I have been cut from the herd because the autocracy here that protects these predispositions is threatened by me. I ask, who will be next?

I have been deemed evil, a detriment to this temple. But these terms, good and evil, are just ideas attached to certain experiences. They actually have no objective reality beyond the human mind. As Jedi, who strive to see all sides of an issue so that a fair assessment can be made, this idea should be paramount. However in this case it seems to have been missed by the very leadership that guides this temple. They have looked only to the surface of this situation and failed to see the deeper dimension to this very real human experience that is beyond simple material assessment. They miss the idea that there is something deeper to us than material form. What that is I cannot say, it is simply the question I seek to explore. But I have been dismissed for exploring it too deeply and too honestly. I ask, is this the sort of leadership you want taking you into that darkness beyond your comfort zone?

This is an important question because it cuts to the heart of who and what we experience ourselves as. Each of us are an explicit and intentionally specific material manifestation of a more fundamental property forming and informing the universe. We are literally nothing that emerges as something for a period in this strange medium we call space-time. We are literally the senses that the universe uses to know itself and it is only our mind that creates the illusion of dichotomy, of separate things. A blade of grass can’t exist without the sun, the earth and the air. It is actually made up of those things just as we are made up of the very elements of the universe itself. When we lend this idea to a religious doctrinal paradigm such as this temple espouses, oneness actually informs diversity and diversity becomes oneness. It is all a singular and spectacular unity of unfolding. The illusion in this is ones belief that this can be controlled as the Knights have tried to control me by getting rid of me. They fail to see the very depth to which they ascribe themselves. They are not banning me, they are only banning themselves, they are banning opportunity. I consider that a dangerous policy.

I encourage all here to consider these words. Do not mourn for me. I shall go on. I will always be around, no matter how much they try to silence me. Instead of partnering with me in this quest, they chose to strike me down. But in doing so they have allowed me to become more powerful than they can possibly imagine.

Beware therefore! Love all, lest perchance is a King concealed! Say you so? Fool! If he be a King, thou canst not hurt him.
- Liber AL vel Legis

Long live Kyrin. May your further incarnations be conducive to fulfilling your goals.

Oh!

Lament ye’ dear creature, of such majesty and radiance.

Lament ye the the world’s dwarfed comprehension of thee’ intellectual delights. We do beseech thee’ accompany us in brighter pastures; elsewhere in lands far from here.

And, O’ WOE to us!; those insignificant minds who pale in comprehension to such wisdom thee’ hath displayed. Let that sound of gnashing teeth and siren’s sorrow fill these hills from bowl to brim!

O’ WOE; Indeed!

Thank's for the laugh Kyrin, it's been a long day already.

I didn't realize getting banned from a public forum; and being publicly executed were similarly comparable. I'll be sure to tip off amnesty international in regards to the flagrant human rights violations taking place within the community :laugh:

Kohadre wrote:

Oh!

Lament ye’ dear creature, of such majesty and radiance.

Lament ye the the world’s dwarfed comprehension of thee’ intellectual delights. We do beseech thee’ accompany us in brighter pastures; elsewhere in lands far from here.

And, O’ WOE to us!; those insignificant minds who pale in comprehension to such wisdom thee’ hath displayed. Let that sound of gnashing teeth and siren’s sorrow fill these hills from bowl to brim!

O’ WOE; Indeed!

Thank's for the laugh Kyrin, it's been a long day already.

I didn't realize getting banned from a public forum; and being publicly executed were similarly comparable. I'll be sure to tip off amnesty international in regards to the flagrant human rights violations taking place within the community :laugh:

That was uncalled for, sir.

Kelrax Lorcken wrote:

Kohadre wrote:

Oh!

Lament ye’ dear creature, of such majesty and radiance.

Lament ye the the world’s dwarfed comprehension of thee’ intellectual delights. We do beseech thee’ accompany us in brighter pastures; elsewhere in lands far from here.

And, O’ WOE to us!; those insignificant minds who pale in comprehension to such wisdom thee’ hath displayed. Let that sound of gnashing teeth and siren’s sorrow fill these hills from bowl to brim!

O’ WOE; Indeed!

Thank's for the laugh Kyrin, it's been a long day already.

I didn't realize getting banned from a public forum; and being publicly executed were similarly comparable. I'll be sure to tip off amnesty international in regards to the flagrant human rights violations taking place within the community :laugh:

That was uncalled for, sir.

As were her public attacks within forum discussion; my good sir.

I really don't know if she was friends with a council member or did someone a favor or something because she lasted way longer than anyone else when it comes to constantly harassing and bullying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e35AQK014tI

Kohadre wrote:

Kelrax Lorcken wrote:

Kohadre wrote:

Oh!

Lament ye’ dear creature, of such majesty and radiance.

Lament ye the the world’s dwarfed comprehension of thee’ intellectual delights. We do beseech thee’ accompany us in brighter pastures; elsewhere in lands far from here.

And, O’ WOE to us!; those insignificant minds who pale in comprehension to such wisdom thee’ hath displayed. Let that sound of gnashing teeth and siren’s sorrow fill these hills from bowl to brim!

O’ WOE; Indeed!

Thank's for the laugh Kyrin, it's been a long day already.

I didn't realize getting banned from a public forum; and being publicly executed were similarly comparable. I'll be sure to tip off amnesty international in regards to the flagrant human rights violations taking place within the community :laugh:

That was uncalled for, sir.

As were her public attacks within forum discussion; my good sir.

"as were" is a statement of comparison. If you think Kyrin made uncalled for attacks and is being punished for it, then how is it okay for you to do the same and not be punished as well? If you're saying "well Timmy did it!" and Timmy is sitting in time out, the what prescription should be applied to you? Or maybe what Timmy did isn't so bad if you're doing it to? Since I'm not in favor of the ban, mocking the person being punished I find offensive. And if this is an "angry mob" kind of thing then there is nothing "Jedi" about it.

Yabuturtle wrote: I really don't know if she was friends with a council member or did someone a favor or something because she lasted way longer than anyone else when it comes to constantly harassing and bullying.

could you cite an example of this please?

Just a suggestion - can we keep this space this area free from insults and mud slinging and funny snarky ness -? Feel free to pm each other with questions and such and even feel free to post a new forum post. We allowed Kyrin by her request to say good bye. Let’s move on? Let’s remember who we are ? Please and thank you - only a small request.

Kyrin has her own order at http://kamikeediguild.freeforums.net/

The ban is indefinite, not permanent. Nobody can know that because a majority vote can lift a ban or suspension

Br. John wrote: Kyrin has her own order at http://kamikeediguild.freeforums.net/

The ban is indefinite, not permanent. Nobody can know that because a majority vote can lift a ban or suspension

I'm only asking...

Is having her own forum/temple/site against the rules?

Is keeping non-TOTJO sanctioned ideas on a different site a bad thing when TOTJO itself allows such a wide birth in interpretation?

What is Kyrin actually being banned for?

I'm asking because I remember when I was new to this site and I was pretty against what I considered to be "sith" philosophy being promulgated on this site and so many people expressing these ideas and I was pretty much told I was wrong and we should be open minded to all the possible paths people can choose to take. I mainly just wanted a clear distinction so that the identity of the site was clear and could be maintained as such.

Here, again, is the statement of The Knights. While a few abstained, not a single vote was against banning. It was not only by a majority but by a super majority. The board of directors decided to let The Knights make the decision.

https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/114-Announcements/122608-banning-of-kyrin-wyldstar#339603

After considerable contemplation regarding the history of the relationship between Kyrin and this temple, we've concluded that Kyrin's methods and intentions do not agree with the spirit of and intentions of the church. Due to this long-standing incompatibility and its consequences, many valuable and potentially valuable members have regrettably ceased participation. Unfortunately, after multiple attempts to resolve these differences, no sufficient changes or evidence of consideration, by Kyrin, of this temple's membership have developed. Due to the long-standing state of prejudicial effects caused by a record of disagreeable behavior, the active college of knights have by majority decided that Kyrin is to be suspended from the Temple of the Jedi Order indefinitely.

I consider you a friend, Kyrin.

To my knowledge, the knights have supplied no evidence of kyrin's incompatibility with totjo, no evidence of correlation between kyrin's behaviour and participation at totjo, no evidence of other prejudicial effects, and no evidence of considerable contemplation regarding her fate.

That being said I am sure they will provide it if asked to.

Br. John wrote: Here, again, is the statement of The Knights. While a few abstained, not a single vote was against banning. It was not only by a majority but by a super majority. The board of directors decided to let The Knights make the decision.

https://templeofthejediorder.org/forum/114-Announcements/122608-banning-of-kyrin-wyldstar#339603

After considerable contemplation regarding the history of the relationship between Kyrin and this temple, we've concluded that Kyrin's methods and intentions do not agree with the spirit of and intentions of the church. Due to this long-standing incompatibility and its consequences, many valuable and potentially valuable members have regrettably ceased participation. Unfortunately, after multiple attempts to resolve these differences, no sufficient changes or evidence of consideration, by Kyrin, of this temple's membership have developed. Due to the long-standing state of prejudicial effects caused by a record of disagreeable behavior, the active college of knights have by majority decided that Kyrin is to be suspended from the Temple of the Jedi Order indefinitely.

This has been nagging at me, ever since the official announcement was posted... Nobody seems to be acknowledging it, in favor of "didn't actually break the rules" argument.
I've been on the receiving end of this, out here in meat-space, and I guess it's time to put my "practical knowledge" to use.
Sorry, fellow missers of Kyrin, but...
Churches aren't actually public property. They are, in fact, private property, and they can welcome or dismiss whoever they please, regardless if they have broken any laws/rules. Public access is strictly at the whim of the church (which is probably why many now keep their doors locked)
The notice explicitly states that Kyrin is being dismissed for, in spite of not being a member, making this church look bad, even if only by association.
Tolerance is always important, but will always have limits. It's purported that Kyrins behavior, whether intentional or not is never mentioned, still has undermined and harmed the interests and well-being of the Temple, and that is, within the rules, grounds for dismissal, member or not.
I don't believe Kyrin is wrong to be who she is, but it can't be denied that she is her own worst enemy, in these matters.
This is not the first time this has happened and I'm baffled that it keeps happening with the same people. Regardless of how the pattern is presented, there does seem to be an issue of pattern recognition, in all this.
I'm glad this, apparently, isn't permanent, but I do hope something that needs to change, does.
If this can, indeed, be overturned, I look forward to her return.