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Suicidal Tendencies: Questions/Discussion
02 Oct 2018 15:54 #327209
by Kit
Suicidal Tendencies: Questions/Discussion was created by Kit
I made this to be an open forum, although I’ll answer all questions I can, I welcome anyone with experience to reply as well.
For a long time I seriously didn’t understand suicide. It was just one of those things that didn’t process. Didn’t make sense. So I invite you to ask questions that are on your mind. No holds barred, I’ll take any and all questions with sincerity. You are also welcome to PM me or share your own experiences or answer questions here. This is an invite to an open-floor discussion. This is a sensitive topic for many and I’d like this to be a safe place. Please place any first-hand experiences under a spoiler tag. As much as I want to share this for my own healing, I don’t want to send someone (especially the empathetic folks) into their own crisis from what’s written here.
If you feel you will be triggered by this but still need to talk, please send a PM my way or to your friendly Clergy member. I'm more than willing to listen to you.
I know I wouldn’t know the first thing to ask, so I’d like to start this with my own experiences.
This was really scary and difficult for me to write out, and I feel like I disconnected with it when I did, so I hope some of this was useful to you in one way or another. I’ll be happy to answer questions or talk with you about your own experiences. I know there’s probably plenty of folks here who have the same mindset as I use to. “I just don’t understand!”. And that’s ok. Ask questions or listen, I’ll answer you as best I can. Others are welcome to answer too of corse
For a long time I seriously didn’t understand suicide. It was just one of those things that didn’t process. Didn’t make sense. So I invite you to ask questions that are on your mind. No holds barred, I’ll take any and all questions with sincerity. You are also welcome to PM me or share your own experiences or answer questions here. This is an invite to an open-floor discussion. This is a sensitive topic for many and I’d like this to be a safe place. Please place any first-hand experiences under a spoiler tag. As much as I want to share this for my own healing, I don’t want to send someone (especially the empathetic folks) into their own crisis from what’s written here.
If you feel you will be triggered by this but still need to talk, please send a PM my way or to your friendly Clergy member. I'm more than willing to listen to you.
I know I wouldn’t know the first thing to ask, so I’d like to start this with my own experiences.
Warning: Spoiler!
Obviously I’ve heard of suicide from the news, and general gossip. The military is also hit with yearly Suicide Awareness training due to the high instances of suicide in our ranks. But the first time I remember encountering it closer in my life was while I was in Honor Guard.
It was an Active Duty funeral (although I think he was a Reservist). It was a big deal, these don’t come up much (thankfully) in our area. We had 21 people to perform the military honors. Thankfully I was on the Firing Party, not handing out the folded flags. I’m not sure I’d have given it the reverence it deserved. This gentleman was a Major in the US Air Force. A fighter pilot (F16 if I remember right), married, with a young daughter. I remember thinking “This guy had everything! A job most only dream of, a wife, a kid! Why? How?”
10 years later, I still can’t tell you why he ended his life. But I can tell you why I wished I could.
I’m married, with no strong difficulties in the relationship. I have a wonderful daughter who I couldn’t ask for better of. A career in an interesting field, working an interesting mission, decent pay and little money woes….on the surface, things look great.
Peel that back and that’s where you’d see it. I was dealing with crippling pain on a near daily basis with no explanation for why. Ever since I could remember, I’ve always had to deal with anxiety, depression, and CPTSD. But every time I was in the depths of depression, I didn’t have the strength to get help, and when I wasn’t, I’d look back and think “It wasn’t that bad…” and never get it then either. Although I had a cool job, my leadership made things utterly miserable and more difficult than it should have been. I was abused by my mother and dealing with the repercussions from that. I watched the people I went to training with, far excel me in my career.
I remember I was putting on my boots one morning, I was tired from not sleeping well for longer than I can remember having a good night, looking towards another day of work, caring for my daughter, all while being awash with physical pain and emotional ranging from numb to dead. I remember saying “I don’t want to do this anymore.” I felt like I was a failure, so why keep going. On a near-daily basis, I was in a level of pain that would send most to the ER. The obvious result being in pain, but what most folks who’ve never experienced a chronic condition before, there’s a lot that it compounds. The big one is that it saps your strength/energy. It’s like a continuous-cast spell that is a constant drain on your mana. Or a background program on your laptop or phone that you can’t close and just drains your battery and takes up use of your RAM and CPU. It also doesn’t stop at night, so I was experiencing chronic fatigue that impacted everything in my life. Not only do I have no energy during the weekdays after work, I have to take a nap on the weekends too. So then I’m left without having the time or energy to enjoy myself either. I was well beyond what I thought my endurance could do. Three years of being in pain daily. Of not being able to stand up long enough to cook without the pain getting too much (but had to do it anyways). Not being able to run as an outlet, and even losing my ability to go for walks which was a major stress relief for me. I had my bosses leaning hard on me and refusing to understand what I was going through. Just treating me like I was some layabout dirtbag slacker. My self-worth sank with every day. My day was filled with reminders of the things I couldn’t do anymore. And as things went on, I lost every scrap of strength and energy I had. I didn’t even have enough to be angry at myself and my situation anymore. I was a broken down machine. My life.exe file had no more space to run. Pain.exe would only freeze my whole system when I tried to kill it in the task manager. Chores.dat only got longer, and self-judgement.dat grew in size until it ran out of RAM and crashed. I was tired. I just wanted it all to stop.
Every time I thought about killing myself, my anxiety-trained imagination would flit to how my husband and daughter would feel. The image of leaving him to raise her by himself while he questioned why he wasn’t enough broke my heart. That one little visual kept me from actively seeking to kill myself. But that didn’t stop me from caring if it happened. I went from panicking about a car that I thought would pull out and hit me while I was driving (complete with graphic visuals about what would happen to my daughter), to just apathetically hoping it would. It wasn’t real hope, I couldn’t get up enough energy to do that. And as horrible as it sounds, I didn’t even care if it happened while my daughter was in the car with me.
I still didn’t even go in for help. I ended up at Mental Health when I blamed my ADHD on my problems and wanted to get a fix for that. I ended up being able to go on anti-anxiety and anti-depression meds and it’s changed my life. It hasn’t fixed me, I still have a lot of work ahead, but it’s given me some stability to work from. But there’s still times I sit back and think “This fucking sucks, I wish I didn’t have to go through this.” And “why me?”. Suicide is still in the back of my mind but she’s quietly watching for now. I’ve also come to find I’ve a more intimate relationship with Death. I’m using more animal products (fur, claws, teeth, hide) and skulls in my shamanic practice, and use those as a connection to the cycles around me.
I feel like I have more to add but I can’t find it (guess what has my attention right now? Lol)
It was an Active Duty funeral (although I think he was a Reservist). It was a big deal, these don’t come up much (thankfully) in our area. We had 21 people to perform the military honors. Thankfully I was on the Firing Party, not handing out the folded flags. I’m not sure I’d have given it the reverence it deserved. This gentleman was a Major in the US Air Force. A fighter pilot (F16 if I remember right), married, with a young daughter. I remember thinking “This guy had everything! A job most only dream of, a wife, a kid! Why? How?”
10 years later, I still can’t tell you why he ended his life. But I can tell you why I wished I could.
I’m married, with no strong difficulties in the relationship. I have a wonderful daughter who I couldn’t ask for better of. A career in an interesting field, working an interesting mission, decent pay and little money woes….on the surface, things look great.
Peel that back and that’s where you’d see it. I was dealing with crippling pain on a near daily basis with no explanation for why. Ever since I could remember, I’ve always had to deal with anxiety, depression, and CPTSD. But every time I was in the depths of depression, I didn’t have the strength to get help, and when I wasn’t, I’d look back and think “It wasn’t that bad…” and never get it then either. Although I had a cool job, my leadership made things utterly miserable and more difficult than it should have been. I was abused by my mother and dealing with the repercussions from that. I watched the people I went to training with, far excel me in my career.
I remember I was putting on my boots one morning, I was tired from not sleeping well for longer than I can remember having a good night, looking towards another day of work, caring for my daughter, all while being awash with physical pain and emotional ranging from numb to dead. I remember saying “I don’t want to do this anymore.” I felt like I was a failure, so why keep going. On a near-daily basis, I was in a level of pain that would send most to the ER. The obvious result being in pain, but what most folks who’ve never experienced a chronic condition before, there’s a lot that it compounds. The big one is that it saps your strength/energy. It’s like a continuous-cast spell that is a constant drain on your mana. Or a background program on your laptop or phone that you can’t close and just drains your battery and takes up use of your RAM and CPU. It also doesn’t stop at night, so I was experiencing chronic fatigue that impacted everything in my life. Not only do I have no energy during the weekdays after work, I have to take a nap on the weekends too. So then I’m left without having the time or energy to enjoy myself either. I was well beyond what I thought my endurance could do. Three years of being in pain daily. Of not being able to stand up long enough to cook without the pain getting too much (but had to do it anyways). Not being able to run as an outlet, and even losing my ability to go for walks which was a major stress relief for me. I had my bosses leaning hard on me and refusing to understand what I was going through. Just treating me like I was some layabout dirtbag slacker. My self-worth sank with every day. My day was filled with reminders of the things I couldn’t do anymore. And as things went on, I lost every scrap of strength and energy I had. I didn’t even have enough to be angry at myself and my situation anymore. I was a broken down machine. My life.exe file had no more space to run. Pain.exe would only freeze my whole system when I tried to kill it in the task manager. Chores.dat only got longer, and self-judgement.dat grew in size until it ran out of RAM and crashed. I was tired. I just wanted it all to stop.
Every time I thought about killing myself, my anxiety-trained imagination would flit to how my husband and daughter would feel. The image of leaving him to raise her by himself while he questioned why he wasn’t enough broke my heart. That one little visual kept me from actively seeking to kill myself. But that didn’t stop me from caring if it happened. I went from panicking about a car that I thought would pull out and hit me while I was driving (complete with graphic visuals about what would happen to my daughter), to just apathetically hoping it would. It wasn’t real hope, I couldn’t get up enough energy to do that. And as horrible as it sounds, I didn’t even care if it happened while my daughter was in the car with me.
I still didn’t even go in for help. I ended up at Mental Health when I blamed my ADHD on my problems and wanted to get a fix for that. I ended up being able to go on anti-anxiety and anti-depression meds and it’s changed my life. It hasn’t fixed me, I still have a lot of work ahead, but it’s given me some stability to work from. But there’s still times I sit back and think “This fucking sucks, I wish I didn’t have to go through this.” And “why me?”. Suicide is still in the back of my mind but she’s quietly watching for now. I’ve also come to find I’ve a more intimate relationship with Death. I’m using more animal products (fur, claws, teeth, hide) and skulls in my shamanic practice, and use those as a connection to the cycles around me.
I feel like I have more to add but I can’t find it (guess what has my attention right now? Lol)
This was really scary and difficult for me to write out, and I feel like I disconnected with it when I did, so I hope some of this was useful to you in one way or another. I’ll be happy to answer questions or talk with you about your own experiences. I know there’s probably plenty of folks here who have the same mindset as I use to. “I just don’t understand!”. And that’s ok. Ask questions or listen, I’ll answer you as best I can. Others are welcome to answer too of corse
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02 Oct 2018 17:10 #327213
by Kit
Oh! That's another reason I wanted to share, so others know they're not alone. This shit is rough, but knowing that others are going through it too helps a bit. LOL the visual I have is treading water on stormy seas just to see, from the depths of the ocean, a small yellow ball surfaces with a "bloop!" and it spins to reveal a stupid emoji face on it :lol: sorry humor is the thing that keeps me going sometimes.
You're welcome hun. I look forward to hearing your experiances
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Rosalyn J wrote: I've had Simillar feelings Kit. When I get home I'll share two. But...thank you
Oh! That's another reason I wanted to share, so others know they're not alone. This shit is rough, but knowing that others are going through it too helps a bit. LOL the visual I have is treading water on stormy seas just to see, from the depths of the ocean, a small yellow ball surfaces with a "bloop!" and it spins to reveal a stupid emoji face on it :lol: sorry humor is the thing that keeps me going sometimes.
You're welcome hun. I look forward to hearing your experiances
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02 Oct 2018 18:11 #327216
by Kobos
What has to come ? Will my heart grow numb ?
How will I save the world ? By using my mind like a gun
Seems a better weapon, 'cause everybody got heat
I know I carry mine, since the last time I got beat
MF DOOM Books of War
Training Masters: Carlos.Martinez3 and JLSpinner
TB:Nakis
Knight of the Conclave
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Kit, thanks for this thread.
I'm pretty open to talking about this for some reason. So, there have been 2 times in my life where scuicide was a major and very real possibility. One was in early college, life was actually pretty good in terms of living. I lived in a decent apartment, had average grades, and for the situation a high paying full time job with enough time to party when I wanted. That however, was all good and great except in my head all I saw was repeated images. Wake up, go to class, go to work, get off get drunk go to sleep. That was it and as I progressed through that I slowly figured well that's it this is how life is forever, there is no change this is adult hood. No fulfillment just work, intoxication and sleep. I remember tying the noose, I never used it. The little voice inside me for some reason told me to talk to my mom about how I was feeling. Taking her advice the next day I attended an AA meeting. that was the first time I got sober, i won't say that these thoughts were only the product of my drug issue. After that I found myself talking to the schools psychologist and Dr. and being diagnosed with severe depression and anxiety disorders. That said I was put on meds, yea they helped and I am on different ones now that help but the thought never goes away entirely it just doesn't hit that same level.
The second run in was believe it or not during a relapse about 3 years after my first sobriety date. I had been working roughly 18 hour days 10 hour shifts with a security company 6 days a week and 7 to 8 hour shifts 4 days a week at a retail establishment. The goal was to get my partner through grad school so in time I could continue my education. At one point I just saw that it wasn't going to end, it was just going to be this same struggle to support someone, who never looked at how physically worn down it had made me. There was an evening where we had a significant fight because despite both pay checks I didn't have the money to pay rent on time. I remember taking my .45 walking into the bathroom, emptying the chamber and putting it to my head just to see if I could pull the trigger in that situation. I did without a thought, the next step was to chamber a round which I promptly did. As I began raising it my partner stormed into the bathroom and was able to wrestle the gun from my hand without it going off (thank goodness). At this point it occurred to me I needed to get sober again, and shortly after found myself at the tables I had grown tired of before. After that I changed psychs and was put on a new set of meds, luckily these worked better and were much more tailored to me as an individual. To this day they continue to be effective, not to say that these thoughts don't happen. They do, but I know they are simply thoughts and that the time between them has increased significantly. Now both these situations occurred when I was under a substance that in my case is a significant weakness for me (alcohol) of course the socially acceptable one.......But it wasn't that alcohol that caused them it was the depression the alcohol just gave me the gumption if you will to act on them. It is nice to say that now these situations are 10 and roughly 7 years in the past but they still stand out to me as what my own mind can do to me if I let it.
The thing is these thoughts come, honestly, I have been dealing with them my whole life. As I have gotten older though I realize exactly that they are just thoughts. They have very little to do with my reality but much to do with my perspective of the future and what I figured would be. Not what would actually come, grasping now that I don't know what is to come and that I know there will be times of great sadness and strife, there will also be moments of great happiness, beauty and occasional peace keep these thought in the realm of thoughts. Because what I stated above about the movement of time is something I know. It also helps that I look at the consequences outside of me and see that the impact to certain others would be devastating and though that not always enough to stop the thought it is enough to stop the action.
Just thought I would share.
Much Love, Respect, and Peace,
Kobos
I'm pretty open to talking about this for some reason. So, there have been 2 times in my life where scuicide was a major and very real possibility. One was in early college, life was actually pretty good in terms of living. I lived in a decent apartment, had average grades, and for the situation a high paying full time job with enough time to party when I wanted. That however, was all good and great except in my head all I saw was repeated images. Wake up, go to class, go to work, get off get drunk go to sleep. That was it and as I progressed through that I slowly figured well that's it this is how life is forever, there is no change this is adult hood. No fulfillment just work, intoxication and sleep. I remember tying the noose, I never used it. The little voice inside me for some reason told me to talk to my mom about how I was feeling. Taking her advice the next day I attended an AA meeting. that was the first time I got sober, i won't say that these thoughts were only the product of my drug issue. After that I found myself talking to the schools psychologist and Dr. and being diagnosed with severe depression and anxiety disorders. That said I was put on meds, yea they helped and I am on different ones now that help but the thought never goes away entirely it just doesn't hit that same level.
The second run in was believe it or not during a relapse about 3 years after my first sobriety date. I had been working roughly 18 hour days 10 hour shifts with a security company 6 days a week and 7 to 8 hour shifts 4 days a week at a retail establishment. The goal was to get my partner through grad school so in time I could continue my education. At one point I just saw that it wasn't going to end, it was just going to be this same struggle to support someone, who never looked at how physically worn down it had made me. There was an evening where we had a significant fight because despite both pay checks I didn't have the money to pay rent on time. I remember taking my .45 walking into the bathroom, emptying the chamber and putting it to my head just to see if I could pull the trigger in that situation. I did without a thought, the next step was to chamber a round which I promptly did. As I began raising it my partner stormed into the bathroom and was able to wrestle the gun from my hand without it going off (thank goodness). At this point it occurred to me I needed to get sober again, and shortly after found myself at the tables I had grown tired of before. After that I changed psychs and was put on a new set of meds, luckily these worked better and were much more tailored to me as an individual. To this day they continue to be effective, not to say that these thoughts don't happen. They do, but I know they are simply thoughts and that the time between them has increased significantly. Now both these situations occurred when I was under a substance that in my case is a significant weakness for me (alcohol) of course the socially acceptable one.......But it wasn't that alcohol that caused them it was the depression the alcohol just gave me the gumption if you will to act on them. It is nice to say that now these situations are 10 and roughly 7 years in the past but they still stand out to me as what my own mind can do to me if I let it.
The thing is these thoughts come, honestly, I have been dealing with them my whole life. As I have gotten older though I realize exactly that they are just thoughts. They have very little to do with my reality but much to do with my perspective of the future and what I figured would be. Not what would actually come, grasping now that I don't know what is to come and that I know there will be times of great sadness and strife, there will also be moments of great happiness, beauty and occasional peace keep these thought in the realm of thoughts. Because what I stated above about the movement of time is something I know. It also helps that I look at the consequences outside of me and see that the impact to certain others would be devastating and though that not always enough to stop the thought it is enough to stop the action.
Just thought I would share.
Much Love, Respect, and Peace,
Kobos
What has to come ? Will my heart grow numb ?
How will I save the world ? By using my mind like a gun
Seems a better weapon, 'cause everybody got heat
I know I carry mine, since the last time I got beat
MF DOOM Books of War
Training Masters: Carlos.Martinez3 and JLSpinner
TB:Nakis
Knight of the Conclave
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02 Oct 2018 19:43 #327229
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I needed this today, to know other people feel the same sometimes. I'll come back and say something more substantial later.
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03 Oct 2018 04:26 #327278
by RosalynJ
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As promised I am posting my own experience
I think it's really interesting is that today I thought to myself do I really have a good enough story, a good enough reason to have thought about suicide?” and that is essentially what these two instances are about. Being good enough. And they both have to do with my mother.
I think my first thoughts of suicide came shortly after I met my mother for the first time. She had left me in the hospital at Birth in hopes that I would be adopted. I met her for the first time at 12. I was so tired of being institutionalized that I just wanted to have a normal life with a normal parents, but bureaucracy got in the way.
Every weekend, or every other weekend, I would go up to see her for visitations. Those were like a little Slice of Heaven. On Sunday nights I would have to come back to hell. Years went on like this. I thought it was so unfair. That I should have been given up at Birth and given this destiny to continue to be institutionalized while my real mother, my birth mother was so close. Having no one to blame, I blamed myself. I wondered whether I was good enough not for the first time. Wasn't enough to be born with a disability come on over to be given up but instead, I needed both those and to be kept away from a woman who obviously wanted to keep me and wanted to live the rest of my childhood with me.
I didn't know what suicide was, but I thought about not being here anymore. Going to heaven and meeting Jesus again. Constantly I would have dreams about that. Blissful dreams that I didn't want to wake up from. I don't think I stopped having those dreams until I had a plan in place at 18.
My second instance was suicide actually happened when I was about 26 years old. By that time I have been living with my parents for almost 8 years. My parents had a huge separation. My mom relapsed and took over money and pawn dollar stuff left us alone with $60,000 worth of debt on top of whatever we had accumulated for all those years. And I used to listen to my mother's girlfriend cry herself to sleep at night and I used to feel like I was in no way good enough. Then those dreams started happening again. This time was a bit different. I consciously made no effort and self-care or eating. I spent all my days sleeping hoping one day I wouldn't wake up.
I couldn't tell you how I got out of there. I don't remember.
I think it's really interesting is that today I thought to myself do I really have a good enough story, a good enough reason to have thought about suicide?” and that is essentially what these two instances are about. Being good enough. And they both have to do with my mother.
Warning: Spoiler!
I think my first thoughts of suicide came shortly after I met my mother for the first time. She had left me in the hospital at Birth in hopes that I would be adopted. I met her for the first time at 12. I was so tired of being institutionalized that I just wanted to have a normal life with a normal parents, but bureaucracy got in the way.
Every weekend, or every other weekend, I would go up to see her for visitations. Those were like a little Slice of Heaven. On Sunday nights I would have to come back to hell. Years went on like this. I thought it was so unfair. That I should have been given up at Birth and given this destiny to continue to be institutionalized while my real mother, my birth mother was so close. Having no one to blame, I blamed myself. I wondered whether I was good enough not for the first time. Wasn't enough to be born with a disability come on over to be given up but instead, I needed both those and to be kept away from a woman who obviously wanted to keep me and wanted to live the rest of my childhood with me.
I didn't know what suicide was, but I thought about not being here anymore. Going to heaven and meeting Jesus again. Constantly I would have dreams about that. Blissful dreams that I didn't want to wake up from. I don't think I stopped having those dreams until I had a plan in place at 18.
My second instance was suicide actually happened when I was about 26 years old. By that time I have been living with my parents for almost 8 years. My parents had a huge separation. My mom relapsed and took over money and pawn dollar stuff left us alone with $60,000 worth of debt on top of whatever we had accumulated for all those years. And I used to listen to my mother's girlfriend cry herself to sleep at night and I used to feel like I was in no way good enough. Then those dreams started happening again. This time was a bit different. I consciously made no effort and self-care or eating. I spent all my days sleeping hoping one day I wouldn't wake up.
I couldn't tell you how I got out of there. I don't remember.
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