Stuff n Things, Or how to get excommunicated and not even know why, lol!

This is what shows up for me...

Maybe it time for a break on all this ? Make a sandwich or tea ? Come back if you like but take some grime to break. Seems like things are getting a bit too personal. Thank you

No, she was blocked, then unblocked and requested to have her account deactivated. Someone blocked her...

When I checked she was not blocked. I don't know if someone blocked then unblocked before I looked at the account.

Ryu made the following statement this morning...

"She said she went to log in and saw the blocked account message, after it was unblocked she requsted it to be deactivated and made private/inaccessible to others"

She attempted to reach out to councilors as well to solve the issue...

Zenchi wrote:
I also told you you'd make an outstanding Knight, if you'd only stop with the trolling. And immediatly saying as such, i sincerely asked you if you were trans, you laughed. What else was i supposed to think other than your just using the female persona to troll harder...

So you're not exactly being honest here. I'm more than willing to discuss this civilly over pm if it interests you...

And my being a Knight had absolutely nothing to do with how i approached you, ive made my opinion known about what i think about "rank" here for quite some time, so please stop stretching as i've explained this more times than i can count...

You brought this to the public arena, not I. I think it should be discussed here, in the open. And please do not take this as me trying to depict myself as a saint. I have engaged in verbal combat on these boards, fought battles of injustices I perceived, even raged, same as you. Sometimes I was right and sometimes I was wrong and in that I have no issue with you in that regard. What I did take issue with was when you made it personal by engaging in antics I described above.

You say I laughed when you asked if I was trans. (which you did ask only after demands for a picture.) Why do you think that is? It’s because that is an incredibly personal question and one I was not willing to discuss with you. I didn’t trust you and I had no desire to engage you privately. You were not my friend and I did not have to answer your questions just because you think I did.

That also does not mean you just get to judge me unilaterally as a troll and decide I need to be bullied into revealing such details to you. Lack of knowledge does not give you the right to insert any conclusion you feel is justified and then proceed to act on that judgment by launching a personal campaign against me. Using your privilege as a Knight you tried to get me demoted and/or banned behind the scenes while intimidating me publically on the boards and shout box to reveal personal info. And I believe you absolutely used your power as a Knight to find and stalk me on Facebook as well. You admitted that you had sought me out there I feel as another form of intimidation.

I did get your PM and I did see your apology. However I don’t see it as truly sincere when it is hidden like that. And because of that, I will also take this opportunity to publically apologize to you for any transgressions I have committed against you. I’m sorry if I have caused you strife or undue turmoil and I have taken my punishment for those offenses. The point of this is to resolve the lingering issues between us or at least to agree to disagree, bury the conflict and move forward on clean slates. I hope we can do that.

Serenity just tried to log in...blocked message...Wed, 19 Sept, 2018 18:20 GMT Temple time. I saw the attempt.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Zenchi wrote:
I also told you you'd make an outstanding Knight, if you'd only stop with the trolling. And immediatly saying as such, i sincerely asked you if you were trans, you laughed. What else was i supposed to think other than your just using the female persona to troll harder...

So you're not exactly being honest here. I'm more than willing to discuss this civilly over pm if it interests you...

And my being a Knight had absolutely nothing to do with how i approached you, ive made my opinion known about what i think about "rank" here for quite some time, so please stop stretching as i've explained this more times than i can count...

You brought this to the public arena, not I. I think it should be discussed here, in the open. And please do not take this as me trying to depict myself as a saint. I have engaged in verbal combat on these boards, fought battles of injustices I perceived, even raged, same as you. Sometimes I was right and sometimes I was wrong and in that I have no issue with you in that regard. What I did take issue with was when you made it personal by engaging in antics I described above.

You say I laughed when you asked if I was trans. (which you did ask only after demands for a picture.) Why do you think that is? It’s because that is an incredibly personal question and one I was not willing to discuss with you. I didn’t trust you and I had no desire to engage you privately. You were not my friend and I did not have to answer your questions just because you think I did.

That also does not mean you just get to judge me unilaterally as a troll and decide I need to be bullied into revealing such details to you. Lack of knowledge does not give you the right to insert any conclusion you feel is justified and then proceed to act on that judgment by launching a personal campaign against me. Using your privilege as a Knight you tried to get me demoted and/or banned behind the scenes while intimidating me publically on the boards and shout box to reveal personal info. And I believe you absolutely used your power as a Knight to find and stalk me on Facebook as well. You admitted that you had sought me out there I feel as another form of intimidation.

I did get your PM and I did see your apology. However I don’t see it as truly sincere when it is hidden like that. And because of that, I will also take this opportunity to publically apologize to you for any transgressions I have committed against you. I’m sorry if I have caused you strife or undue turmoil and I have taken my punishment for those offenses. The point of this is to resolve the lingering issues between us or at least to agree to disagree, bury the conflict and move forward on clean slates. I hope we can do that.

And i offered to apologize over discord voice or even hangouts...

And the discussion you mentioned, yeah, i looked that up. I was not at all bullying, and I was very sincere, and you had no problem talking to me then. Funny how all of a sudden a private friendly chat is now tuned into my harassing you, which wasn't the case, and can be proven as such, if need be...

I personally can see alot of misleading being done over text, so perhaps you never believed what was stated, another reason why I offered to say it directly...

If you truly were intimidated by me, (you never showed it, and had no problem exchanging punches) then I DO whole heartedly apologize...

Jack.Troutman wrote: Serenity just tried to log in...blocked message...Wed, 19 Sept, 2018 18:20 GMT Temple time. I saw the attempt.

Hmm. Let me see.

I have accessed the Admin panel and can confidently say from what I see that she is not blocked. Please have her clear her cache. Let us know if that works

As per request from Serenity I am deactivating her account and shall post a screenshot of the request in mod logs.

Zenchi wrote:
If you truly were intimidated by me, (you never showed it, and had no problem exchanging punches) then I DO whole heartedly apologize...

You still don't get it, do you. I don't want you to apologize for a reaction you feel I had. I want you to apologize for what you did wrong. You will never see fear from me, I will never give you that power. But there have been others that you have intimidated in the same way that are either no longer here or exist only in the shadows. People talk about me scaring people away but you have done the same thing with your tactics. I admit to my wrong doings but can you?

I will boil this down to the simplest of terms. Do you feel it was right or wrong of you to make comment after comment about me displaying a picture in my profile on open posts and the shout box after I refused to answer your question about my gender status?

[quote="Kyrin Wyldstar" post=326582]Lack of knowledge does not give you the right to insert any conclusion you feel is justified and then proceed to act on that judgment by launching a personal campaign against me. [/quote]

This part right here, this notion you put out I find the most interesting, because about 90% of the flaming and yelling here on the forums from most people in general, and specifically speaking the bold, but also you yourself Kyrin do this exact thing. Especially in the most active threads in the last couple days. Even more especially with concerns of council. This is probably one of the biggest faults I see in a great deal of people lately actually.

Tellahane wrote: [quote="Kyrin Wyldstar" post=326582]Lack of knowledge does not give you the right to insert any conclusion you feel is justified and then proceed to act on that judgment by launching a personal campaign against me.

This part right here, this notion you put out I find the most interesting, because about 90% of the flaming and yelling here on the forums from most people in general, and specifically speaking the bold, but also you yourself Kyrin do this exact thing. Especially in the most active threads in the last couple days. Even more especially with concerns of council. This is probably one of the biggest faults I see in a great deal of people lately actually.[/quote]

Take it to another thread, please...

Tellahane wrote: This part right here, this notion you put out I find the most interesting, because about 90% of the flaming and yelling here on the forums from most people in general, and specifically speaking the bold, but also you yourself Kyrin do this exact thing. Especially in the most active threads in the last couple days. Even more especially with concerns of council. This is probably one of the biggest faults I see in a great deal of people lately actually.

Don't confuse an ignorance fallacy with a moral difference of opinion.

Zenchi wrote: So, I don't know exactly why I'm being banned...

Well I hope I have answered your question here... unfortunately I doubt it. The reason you are excommed is the same reason you either cannot or refuse to answer my simple question. Pride hubris and bias are not Jedi traits here.

I find it only ironic that telehane took his question to another thread because I find his subject matter extremely relevant to your case. You spent many weeks after I was banned to continue to tear me apart. You and ari both made grandiose claims and predictions that my home life was in a shambles, my personal morality was a mess and that I had serious emotional issues that I should deal with before being allowed back. More classic examples of ignorance fallacy. Either that or an example of a Knight, sharing highly confidential information of another member here without permission. Either way its grounds for your excomm even without the other charges.

I may have lost a battle or two but I won the war my friend. And your refusal to come to the negotiation table tells everyone your consequences are well deserved.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: I find it only ironic that telehane took his question to another thread

You find it ironic that I followed zenchi's request to move the topic at hand? Which while it could have relevancy is more related to the temple and its members as a whole and belonged in another thread...

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: More classic examples of ignorance fallacy.

I find it more ironic that you keep accusing others of your own actions

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: I may have lost a battle or two but I won the war my friend. And your refusal to come to the negotiation table tells everyone your consequences are well deserved.

You are a just a great example here, you've learned a lot in your time off I'm sure, I could tell within your first few posts, but you still have a long way to go, your falling back on old bad habits.

Tellahane wrote: but you still have a long way to go, your falling back on old bad habits.

Do I have a long way to go? Or do you? How do you actually measure this? By what "yardsick" do you come to such a conclusion? I'm really truly curious? I know you and I agree that this order is not the answer (at least for us personally) but having agreed upon that, how do we still find ourselves on opposite sides of this issue?

Kyren: I easily could have avoided all of this, by merely apologizing to the council, I refused, and continue to do so...

I'll not bow, I stand by my word....

The offer for the apology still stands, but again, only over discord voice or hangouts, as I don't exactly believe your sincerity over mere text. You've clearly shown you've not learned anything since your departure.

The difference between you and myself, is the simple fact I had a choice, and I've turned it down more times than I can count, and continue to do so...

You can insult and chew all you want, I've got better things to do

To the Council: I've let this chill for 24 hrs, is anything being done about Serenity being blocked? I get that it's probably not something that can be proven, I've heard all sorts of lame excuses as to how it happened. When exactly do we start acting like Jedi? Just curious...

What does Knighthood stand for here when something this despicable is allowed to pass? How important is that council seat?

Sometimes I wonder if one requirement of becoming a knight should be learning how to detach from giving a shit what joe blow said about (or did to) jake flake in the online church of the space-wizard club, log off of it for about a year or more to put focus on more important priorities in real life (applying what we've learned) and stop taking ourselves so seriously. Though I'll admit, maybe this might be the completely wrong audience for such a thing. *shrugs* Just a thought.