No True Scotsman

A problem we see today quite a bit is that when someone becomes radicalized and does something indefensible, people from the same group tend to just say something along the lines of "they're not one of us, we would never do that" without pre-emptively acting to keep others from following down that same path. In the US and especially the UK in light of Saturday's attack, many people tend to blame Muslims as a group for the actions of ISIS and other (often refugee) terrorist actors. Recently though, several imams and Muslim religious figures banded together to decry Saturday's attackers and deny them funeral prayers Guardian Article

This is definitely a step in the right direction, but is it enough?

What would you have an average citizen, refugee, or religious leader (specifically Muslims in this case) do to keep from relying on the " No True Scotsman " fallacy when talking about those who ended up committing crimes ostensibly in the name of religion?

How do you think Jedi ought to approach this topic relating to members here in the case one becomes involved in domestic terrorism?

I think that one thing that is important is that you can note that they were a follower/member of xyz group or church but that does not mean their actions are condoned by the group/church. Further one could point out that such actions would not be taken by a GOOD member of such a group church with examples of rules/doctrine/scripture that would forbid such an act. Hence their action is one that is out of line with what they should be doing.
Outside of that, you do not need to apologize or make excuses. I think after such an act the best action outside of condemning what happened is to just be a positive example of what your group/religion/belief system SHOULD stand for. *

* Disclaimer: I am not saying you owe anyone any of these actions. I am just pointing out that during times of bad public image these are the steps that might help.

I have no understanding for this ,

Recently though, several imams and Muslim religious figures banded together to decry Saturday's attackers and deny them funeral prayers

and let me explain why , to deny their loved ones that are of Islam the right to pray for the souls of the Terrorists and to deny them forgivenes is not the path to forgivenes and will only lead to more hate against the moderate Muslim and his family in the Western world. Its an empty gesture made out of panic , what they in my opinion should do is educate themselves into as much as they can about where they live.

We arrested a radicalised boy at an airport a few weeks ago , 10 kilometers from my village, he wanted to steal warheads and blow up our provence because he thinks we sin against islam , he did not get arrested because he was Muslim , he got arrested because he is dellusional , he is in a safe enviroment now and will get the proper help

Statement of ISIS : " Our brother is taken prison by the Dutch authorities and they will try to brainwash him "

(disclaimer , my friends arab is not 100% but this is somewhat the content she gathered from youtube )

I sincerely believe that ISIS thinks we are brainwashing their Brother , and i sincerely believe that they think we are better off dead than to live in this sin. We just dont agree ....

Same with Free Speech, i might not agree , but i will always stand up for the right to express it , even if that means that i have to listen to people wanting me dead,

Amyntas wrote: I have no understanding for this ,

Recently though, several imams and Muslim religious figures banded together to decry Saturday's attackers and deny them funeral prayers

and let me explain why , to deny their loved ones that are of Islam the right to pray for the souls of the Terrorists and to deny them forgivenes is not the path to forgivenes and will only lead to more hate against the moderate Muslim and his family in the Western world. Its an empty gesture made out of panic , what they in my opinion should do is educate themselves into as much as they can about where they live.

The reasoning behind this is actions have consequences. If you break the rules of a group or church they deny you the benefits of said group or church. So for example in this Temple, I am given the privilege of posting here and if I meet particular criteria teaching or guiding others along this path. If I fail to meet the rules or criteria I am denied said privileges. While the argument could be made that it does more harm than good that is the reasoning behind it at least as I understand it.

MadHatter wrote:

Amyntas wrote: I have no understanding for this ,

Recently though, several imams and Muslim religious figures banded together to decry Saturday's attackers and deny them funeral prayers

and let me explain why , to deny their loved ones that are of Islam the right to pray for the souls of the Terrorists and to deny them forgivenes is not the path to forgivenes and will only lead to more hate against the moderate Muslim and his family in the Western world. Its an empty gesture made out of panic , what they in my opinion should do is educate themselves into as much as they can about where they live.

The reasoning behind this is actions have consequences. If you break the rules of a group or church they deny you the benefits of said group or church. So for example in this Temple, I am given the privilege of posting here and if I meet particular criteria teaching or guiding others along this path. If I fail to meet the rules or criteria I am denied said privileges. While the argument could be made that it does more harm than good that is the reasoning behind it at least as I understand it.

I know the reasoning , i just not agree ,for said reasons ...

Amyntas wrote:

MadHatter wrote:

Amyntas wrote: I have no understanding for this ,

Recently though, several imams and Muslim religious figures banded together to decry Saturday's attackers and deny them funeral prayers

and let me explain why , to deny their loved ones that are of Islam the right to pray for the souls of the Terrorists and to deny them forgivenes is not the path to forgivenes and will only lead to more hate against the moderate Muslim and his family in the Western world. Its an empty gesture made out of panic , what they in my opinion should do is educate themselves into as much as they can about where they live.

The reasoning behind this is actions have consequences. If you break the rules of a group or church they deny you the benefits of said group or church. So for example in this Temple, I am given the privilege of posting here and if I meet particular criteria teaching or guiding others along this path. If I fail to meet the rules or criteria I am denied said privileges. While the argument could be made that it does more harm than good that is the reasoning behind it at least as I understand it.

I know the reasoning , i just not agree ,for said reasons ...

Ok fair enough. I just took the part I quoted to mean you either dont see the reason for it or see no reason and I was pointing out the valid logic behind it. I mean if I believed in such a religion and my families/spiritual wellbeing were going to be impacted I think it could possibly deter such acts. So I dont know either way.

Hehe, yea we all have different views of the doctrine seemingly, but there is a universality in our doctrine which covers all life, there is no 'enemy' defined, just concepts to assist in ones path of having a greater connection to the Force, IMO. What one does with that may or not may not fall within Jediism I guess, and if it doesn't then it's not. That's my take on it, but I know its not really an answer.