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What's Your Automatic Bias?
Cyan Sarden wrote:
Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: The self imposed margins the test uses as base lines are arbitrary and have never been proven as valid cutoffs in which an individuals behaviour would change. Besides that the initial questions are very leading.
True, but I believe they might serve the purpose of instigating self-analysis, which might be very beneficial for spiritual growth.
Self-analysis down the wrong path is not self-analysis. It is self-deception. Would you not rather know your path versus walking in the dark because of a 2 minute seat of the pants fancy test? People so much want to believe there is something wrong with them that they are willing to accept this sort of arm chair evaluation as a means to a quick fix for their lives. This is the same reason many join religions in the first place. Looking for some outside authority to validate them and give them the easy answers.
However we need to realize that there are no quick fixes. A 2 minute test cannot tell you who you are. Each of us needs to come to the realization that we are the only authority we require because we already have the answers. We just need to spend the time and effort to ferret those out for ourselves. Knowing who we are and finding the path to self-improvement is not a mouse click away. Instead, It is an arduous process in which meditation, constant self-reflection and evaluation are some of the best tools we can develop for ourselves, vs looking to an artificial source.

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Cyan Sarden wrote:
Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: The self imposed margins the test uses as base lines are arbitrary and have never been proven as valid cutoffs in which an individuals behaviour would change. Besides that the initial questions are very leading.
True, but I believe they might serve the purpose of instigating self-analysis, which might be very beneficial for spiritual growth.
It never stops, does it? I mean, sure, it might be insightful to look at myself and find bias IF I was operating under the assumption that I did not already. But if I was operating under this assumption, then it is likely that after looking at the results of this test, a new "know-it-all" phase will form, waiting to be disrupted again.
OR... I could just accept that as a human being, I will at all times carry with me biases, and that accepting those biases in order to not let them get in my way, is more useful than trying to erradicate them altogether (an impossible task).
The pessimist complains about the wind;
The optimist expects it to change;
The realist adjusts the sails.
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less sensitive of our own feelings of being offended and more sensitive to the feelings and ideas of those with whom we dont agree.
i think this is equally true for people on all "sides" of the discussion, and i say this after review of my own views and reactions
personally, i want to be in touch with my own feelings enough to realize when, and especially WHY, i might be dismissive or feel uncomfortable around someone. i want this because i desire to be self aware and honest, and because i want to be socially responsible
i am willing to take responsibility for recognizing whatever prejudices or biases i might harbor, if for no other reason than that I consider intellectual honesty a precondition for maturity, wisdom, and life efficacy
I DO NOT want to push the issue of bias and discrimination further into more clearly defined battle lines between groups, and i feel that creating battle lines and expressing enmity is at the heart of the SJW movement in general, so i am very dubious about anything that smacks of SJWness, and this test most certainly does imo
the way to overcome bias is to interact with people who disprove the presupposition; if you tend to feel uncomfortable about old people because you think they are dim witted and they smell bad then the way to overcome that is to interact with old people who are still sharp and who smell nice, NOT by taking some questionable online test that tells you what a bigot you are lol
i acknowledge that the test may be useful as a tool for stimulating thought, and im going to take it after i submit my responses for the day here at the temple, because hey, what can it hurt?
maybe it WILL stimulate useful thoughts
but i'm biased against these tests because of what ive read and heard about them, and because of the SJW trend that universities are pushing lately, and i already disagree that the test is going to be definitive or reliable as an indicator of how i treat people who are different from me
Gokken gave us insight as to why: when he saw the depicted objects, he, as a unique person with a martial arts background, saw almost all of them as potential weapons. I dont believe that the team who made this test did so with a fair understanding of how Goken would process those images, and if they didnt understand him, then why should i expect them to understand me, or you, any of us?
the short answer is that i dont
heres an article from TIME.com that points out some of the potential shortcomings of the test
https://healthland.time.com/2010/10/12/i-dont-actually-hate-myself-why-harvard-is-wrong-about-bias/
I Don’t Actually Hate Myself: Why Harvard Is Wrong About Bias
By John Cloud @JohnAshleyCloudOct. 12, 2010
My colleague Maia Szalavitz wrote a great piece we posted Monday on how an online test developed at Harvard can help uncover hidden biases in how you treat people. There are currently 14 of these Implicit Association Tests (IATs) purporting to measure internal biases in the way we see race, sexuality, body weight — even Presidents (current vs. former). I have been an out-of-the-closet gay writer for 15 years (here’s an early article), so I was surprised to see my result: “Your data suggest a slight automatic preference for Straight People compared to Gay People.” As Maia wrote, 48% of African Americans who take the test also show a bias against themselves.
My results might mean I’m self-hating, although I’m not exactly sure what I could do to be gayer. A tiara to work? Even more house music playing on my office computer? I got suspicious when I read my “result” again: note it’s not an actual score. The Harvard researchers don’t tell you what your actual score is; they measure you through statistical analysis — essentially, bell curves — that compare you to others. The other possible “results” are: “moderate automatic preference” (either for or against), “strong automatic preference,” and no discernible preference. The test would seem more reliable if it just gave me a score. (More on Time.com: 5 Little-Known Truths About American Sex Lives)
What does “automatic” mean, anyway? Before you take the test, the online instructions ask you, several times, to complete it as fast as possible. The researchers want highly reductive, split-second responses (“good,” “bad”) to images that come onto the screen. If you take longer on your response, you get a score — sorry, “result” —indicating you are more biased. But the images can be a little odd: to represent “gay,” for instance, one image is two female figures from a women’s bathroom sign standing together. Aside from being a little gross, I didn’t see it as gay. I saw it as two figures on a bathroom sign.
More broadly, the test relies on an outdated concept — one essentially Freudian in its conception — that there are huge mysterious landscapes in our brains that we can’t access directly. The Harvard researchers seem to like the word “automatic” because it sounds more scientific than the word Freud used — “unconscious” — but the basic idea is no different. As IAT critic Hart Blanton of the University of Connecticut has written, the idea of unconscious racism is a concept in pursuit of a measure, not a scientific measure that has resulted in an idea.
All of which I might be writing because I’m self-hating and angry about my “result,” right? At some point, the reasoning behind the IAT becomes unprovable: it’s unconscious, and if you disagree, that just proves you’re sad about yourself. As others have written (here’s a 2008 piece by the great science writer John Tierney), it turns out that many people’s scores on the IAT can wildly fluctuate from one moment when you take it to the next. Blanton has found that results on an IAT race-bias test can change if you merely show participants a photo of black people enjoying a picnic before they begin. (More on Time.com: Cyberbullying? Homophobia? Tyler Clementi’s Death Highlights Online Lawlessness)
My own interpretation is that my IAT result shows not unconscious bias against gays but total gay identity: I so closely identify as gay that I take a little longer to make sure I say the right thing about other gays. Also, the most automatic response in humans agrees with me: I always get a little breathless when I see a cute gay guy. Also, I cry reliably during Glee, I got Gay Days into TIME magazine, and I live in Chelsea. My problem might be that I like my subculture too much, but it’s not bias against it.
People are complicated.
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personally, i want to be in touch with my own feelings enough to realize when, and especially WHY, i might be dismissive or feel uncomfortable around someone. i want this because i desire to be self aware and honest, and because i want to be socially responsible
I'm wonderfully dismissive of people who work in real estate, and even writing that I feel generous using the term "people"
I daresay I have no intentions whatsoever of adjusting or correcting that prejudice

My point, I suppose, is that there is nothing inherently "wrong" with bias, and it might be there for a reason.
The next bit is not really a point, just rambling -
I have all sorts of thoughts and opinions about the "homosexuals" - because I live with them, my social circles, lifestyle, and so on is rich and throbbing with rainbow goings-on.
The blacks on the other hand, not so much - most folks I know are, what I believe is known as "honkeys" (or asian, or middle eastern or whatever) - point is, you show me pictures of African Americans (or any other number of folk I am wonderfully ignorant about)- I could care less, I'm not sure I've ever met anyone with those bloodlines. Any bias I have is speculative as hell because they've never factored into my experience of living.
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Do I have Bias? Yes. A lot of them actually. But I don't see that as a bad thing. In fact, I accept that I do and that these bias's are who and what I am due to the life and experiences I have and will continue to live. It's what makes me....Me.
What I find to be more useful, is the ability to follow a moral high ground such as the ones presented in Jedi practices (Doctrines, Codes, ect ect) And if you notice....."Conquer Bias" isn't in any of them

What Is found in the Doctrines, Codes, Tenets and Creeds are: Respect. Service. Duty. Peace. Responsibility.
These things I think are far more important than weather or not I have a Bias towards black colored skin or green

And let me just say.....
I am a PROUDWHITE STAY AT HOME FEMALE MOM.
Doesn't mean we can't all be Jedi together.
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can you simply tell yourself not to feel the bias anymore? if you could i wouldnt think it was much of a bias
so what happens if you realize that youre predisposed to dislike old short fat balding gay white women with down syndrome? what do you do with that?
People are complicated.
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