The lightsaber possibly a reality?

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13 Dec 2016 05:19 - 13 Dec 2016 05:26 #268230 by
I know there are some who will disagree with this post and say why do we need lightsabers when we have M4's and other modern day tech. Well I say do not attempt to make them for death and destruction but attempt to make them as a symbol of the Jedi knights and council. Not all of us would have one only the ones who are in tune with the force the ones who take the time to become a knight and beyond. Yes it would be bulky at first but I believe I have figured out the secret to the lightsaber. It will not look like the ones in the fiction with the colorful "blades" it will be basic at first kind of heavy like the first computers.
But here is what I believe we must do to achieve a goal of building a lightsaber. I believe we could accomplish this goal by taking a simple plasma cutter and altering it to where it burns less gas and removing the big bulky tank and replacing it with sevral smaller tanks that are pressure treated on or in the saber its self which will reduce weight drasticly. I also believe we need to bond the protons in the "blade" on the saber together to form the solid blade as used in the fiction. Another thing we would have to do is mount the electrical components of the cutter on to the saber. These modifications will allow for a longer lasting saber. A saber that can be hand held. A saber with a solid "blade". After lot more research I say that we could have a saber that would ultimately work.
(Doubt me if you want but don't make fun of me because I have done my research lasers go on forever so they won't work light does the same so a proton bounded plasma blade is the only relevant answer I can find on how to make a light saber hope you enjoyed and comment what you think)
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13 Dec 2016 07:12 - 13 Dec 2016 07:14 #268235 by Adder
My guess is that in the fiction they emerged as the most practical multi-purpose device which served against 'blasters', being bolts of plasma (I think?). I'd have to then guess the bolts where encapsulated by their own twisted magnetic fields or something, and as such at range they loosened and weakened and burst out as a flash and bang - hence the prevalence of body armour to protect against deflected or other shots otherwise outside of their effective range. So along those lines I suppose a lightsaber was just a bigger bolt that was sustained as a rod, rather then shot out. Where its own plasma confinement field also served to deflect other plasma bolts (like sabers and blaster shots). Obviously plasma burns real hot, so the thought must be that the confinement also keeps the heat inside that field - but of course if you pass something through the confinement field then it's gonna be incinerated!!!! But their use probably required the lightning quick reactions and foresight afforded by 'the Force' to properly wield them as defensive weapons and so makes real utility questionable - as while a blaster bolt might be easier to spot then a bullet and that it might be required to go a lot slower then a solid projectile (if the magnetic field required as much), you'd still have the problem of facing multiple shots from different directions. It would just seem so much easier to deploy a magnetic shield as a deflector, and fire from outside it.... which sort of explains the design of the XWing, sticking the blasters out on the wingtips means a shield could encircle the rest of the ship (except the nose which could be said to have some sensors that needed to be outside that magnetic field to work effectively). So much fiction....... haha

But in the real world they do magnetic confinement fields for plasma to create fusion, wikipedia

Assuming a power source could be miniaturized sufficiently to run something like that, I'm really not sure I'd want anyone to have one! I prefer available protection measures to supersede available weapon capabilities generally speaking, so I'm not sure I can afford magnetic shielding on my car and house just yet :D
But you'd have to explain your idea in more detail for me to understand it.

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13 Dec 2016 09:07 #268238 by
You made me smile , i will see if i can find the article about the plasma cutter that a few students tried to modify at the Tech Uni at Eindhoven , they have a very nifty laser cutter now , but not anyting that we can carry around with us ...yet

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13 Dec 2016 09:53 - 13 Dec 2016 09:55 #268241 by Rex
I wrote a research proposal for making an elliptical tokamak "lightsaber" for a modern/applied physics course (I don't have it on me, but I can find a copy of it, and post it if you're fancy is tickled). The biggest limiting factors in making a rather star wars-esque lightsaber are blade length, power source, plasma source, and cooling. It's also just really expensive because you're trying to make an industrial-use tool that uses some exotic materials and engineering to keep it from breaking itself. My concept was similar to a plasma torch with a closed loop carrier gas system to save energy. In order to miniaturize it (using a weird liquefying semiconductor compound) I made a part of the loop inside an inductor (which is ridiculously hard because plasma conducts current well) so the plasma would behave and could minimally interact with the outside. A cool little bonus is that a resonant scattered laser could be used as a starter or booster, so you might get crystals and stuff like that in a lightsaber.
Looks vaguely/sorta/not really like this

I have no idea how star wars blaster bolts could theoretically work, but a lightsaber could turn smaller slow-moving projectiles into metal mists. That might not be a good thing though.. If you have plasma bolts with their own magnetic fields (a la Adder) interacting with the lightsaber, some wacky stuff would probably happen that could either extinguish the blade or short/burn the electronics out.

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13 Dec 2016 15:14 - 13 Dec 2016 15:18 #268259 by
I believe that this is not crazy but reality . if you look at our symbol it is the top view of a saber...
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13 Dec 2016 16:20 #268266 by
I'm not even going to try to argue the science of a lightsaber. I know so little about those fields that I could never put together a reasonable argument. What I will talk about is this bit.

student of the force wrote: Well I say do not attempt to make them for death and destruction but attempt to make them as a symbol of the Jedi knights and council. Not all of us would have one only the ones who are in tune with the force the ones who take the time to become a knight and beyond.


I have a few questions regarding this section. 1) If they should serve only as a symbol then why bother with the crazy science of making them function? If they should not be used for the possibility of combat why make them combat worthy? 2) Is there not something that already exists which might serve the same symbolic purpose? 3) Who would decide who is "in tune with the Force" enough to wield such a weapon?

All those questions aside, if someone actually does manage to make a workable, portable lightsaber put it on my Christmas list. :woohoo:

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13 Dec 2016 17:45 #268280 by
A plasma cutter "blade" would scarcely interact with another "blade," and, as the flame burns @ 20,000 Celsius, safety concerns boggle the mind. Interesting thought, though.

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13 Dec 2016 18:16 #268303 by
True the plasma cutter blade doesn't seem like it would interact with one another but researchers ah harvard and Yale have actually made light solid by bonding protons together so based off the research they have conducted I believe it is possible to do the same and get the "blades" to interact with one another.

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13 Dec 2016 19:02 #268314 by
Hello all!

So this is a fun discussion, and while my background is not Physics, I present to you Michio Kaku, whose background is. He did a series on YouTube on building a lightsaber, and I have linked to it here.
How to build a Lightsaber Playlist


It has been a while since I watched it, but I believe that the simple answer is that we cannot build one that looks or acts like those of the Star Wars universe with our current technology and understanding pf the laws of physics, but the Star Wars universe has the Force, so there it my be possible.

It is a series of videos.

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13 Dec 2016 20:31 #268322 by Gisteron

student of the force wrote: ... researchers ah [sic] harvard [sic] and Yale have actually made light solid by bonding protons together...

Citation, please.

... based off the research they have conducted I believe it is possible to do the same and get the "blades" to interact with one another.

Plasma is material. It can and does already interact with itself and its environment, mostly by haemorrhaging energy in amounts so great as to illuminate the sky in case of lightning or a room in case of a candle flame. It doesn't take making light solid (what ever that even means) to get interaction. But I'm pretty sure you can't get two plasma streams to collide so as to stop the emitters from moving on.


So anyway, you were saying something abound bonding protons together to form what I assume is something solid-like. Now I'm no expert on matters of electrodynamics (in fact, I'm failing it a second time right now), but it would seem to me that a few rather basic things like the Coulomb force would be quite an obstacle there. I'll be most grateful if you could link us the paper you read on this research...

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