A Jedi Retreat/Temple

Yea, the fact is we all know it cost money to do the things we dream. The way I see it these many request and many more on the subject may lead to some small cabin in the back of the property or a home out reach. Every one knows shits expensive, flat out but some day one of us may.... some day one of us might, a few of us, all of us you never know, the potential for every human is always possible every day and every moment.
If I had the means trust me there would be more communes and hospitals than stores. think about that one for a bit if you dont mind. Nothing wrong with dreaming.
if you need an invitation here it is

Invitation
if your a dreamer, come in,
If your a dreamer, a wisher, a liar, a hope-er, a pray-er, a magic bean buyer...
If your a pretender, come sit by MY fire
For we have some flax-golden tales to spin,
Come in!
Come in!

Shel S.
Where the sidewalk ends
1974

Heut wrote: there had been so many joking-around-answers here that it seemed that nobody is taking the idea and discussion of jeffery earnest (is that possible to say in english?)

This would be because the subject is so old and tired and talked about so frequently that people must joke in order to keep from being overly critical (As you will shortly see below). Its no longer an earnest topic....just a stupidly common one.

And that means no disrespect to Jeffery. But as Manu mentioned....it seems to have good intentions but forced on the wings of something entirely different.

that is by the way is why monks and clerics had to be wifeless and living their life dedicated to the "god/religion"

Jedi. To me....Does not resemble Monks. I would never give up my life for Jedi. Jedi is meant to be part of the life I have not part of a sacrifice i give.

gatherings are really cool and important, but not the same as a real settled community. there had been reasons why you had to go to church one a week with your body. it forms a community, a bond between people.
gatherings are more compareable to a pilgramage.

You clearly have not been to a gathering then One might argue that the bonds of us who meet up once or twice a year is stronger than any bond one might form on a constant daily basis. Such an environment creates a stagnation of familiarity, regret, and negativity.

thanks for the invitation but i m living in europe and wont be agle to hop the big lake

Mhm Such is the excuse often received. "Dedicate your life to a temple!! But I don't have time for a weekend across seas."

Again....Meaning no disrespect.... But you did seem interested in Honest answers

Simple fact is...If we can't even give value to the small things like a Gathering. Then there is no way in hell we can ever see a physical temple hold shape and form.

would it be possible to merge all the temple threads together and sticky it so that new ones dont come up every 2 months?

or just sticky this one? or the last one?
or the one before that which iirc was the best one?

or maybe the "your ideal temple grounds" which was less "we need a temple" and more" how would you design a temple in your perfect world?" which was kind of fun lol

new people dont know that its been done to death and its not their fault that everyone else is tired of it, but it HAS been done to death and everyone else IS tired of it lol so a stickie seems like it would solve the whole thing?

and is it "sticky" or "stickie" in this context? lol

Why not just create a new thread

And then just list all of the temple threads links into the one with Categories for Library purposes? It would require a volunteer to put it all together though im sure. Once complete, someone could pin it

in fact....give me a bit. I got nothing to do for the next hour

This would be because the subject is so old and tired and talked about so frequently that people must joke in order to keep from being overly critical (As you will shortly see below). Its no longer an earnest topic....just a stupidly common one.

though i understand that it gets annoying. it is not fair and nice to start taking others not serious anymore.
the idea to put up some site with links to the old discussions is nice, but in the end new people have to think their own thought and talk about it again. if you dont have anything helpful to contribute, then just dont.

And that means no disrespect to Jeffery. But as Manu mentioned....it seems to have good intentions but forced on the wings of something entirely different.

i can see that, but i think thats making sense in a way as well. but yeah this is a other thing to discuss about.

Jedi. To me....Does not resemble Monks. I would never give up my life for Jedi. Jedi is meant to be part of the life I have not part of a sacrifice i give.

mh to me a jedi are kind of monks. the first thing in the IP is about the adventure of the hero, someone who gives his life for the bigger.
dont get me wrong. all good with meditating once or twice a week and beeing a nice person in general. but i think there are different levels of dedication to the topic wich all have their right to exist. and to be like buddha or jesus are quite big aims.

You clearly have not been to a gathering then One might argue that the bonds of us who meet up once or twice a year is stronger than any bond one might form on a constant daily basis. Such an environment creates a stagnation of familiarity, regret, and negativity.

i wasnt saying that gathering arent super nice and important. i have freinds from far and we max see every few years and its a special time always

Mhm Such is the excuse often received. "Dedicate your life to a temple!! But I don't have time for a weekend across seas."

haha i m living of 450€ a month. just think about that and calculate. i mean, for real, all food, clothes, fun time. i can save 50-100 in a month if i try hard.
and by the way, flying that distance for a weekend is the absolute opposite of taking responsibility for our planet.

Heut wrote: though i understand that it gets annoying. it is not fair and nice to start taking others not serious anymore. the idea to put up some site with links to the old discussions is nice, but in the end new people have to think their own thought and talk about it again.

Absolutely But it is kind of give or take thing here....I don't think anyone here has disrespected the Idea and thought presented by Jeffery. In fact some even went the extra mile to put up their dream (im still looking for my file) Take the good and ignore the assumed "Bad"

if you dont have anything helpful to contribute, then just dont.

Correct....but criticizing people for being "Hilarious" is no better There are reason....stick to your game. Let others do theirs.

mh to me a jedi are kind of monks. the first thing in the IP is about the adventure of the hero, someone who gives his life for the bigger.

Again a matter of interpretation. You have no idea what I gave up to be where I am....I have to live with that bitter pill. In fact I just got reminded of it just a moment ago. (Mom called...) Im not about to repeat that adventure nor am I the only one who has a story of pain and loss for the Journey.

haha i m living of 450€ a month. just think about that and calculate. i mean, for real, all food, clothes, fun time. i can save 50-100 in a month if i try hard. and by the way, flying that distance for a weekend is the absolute opposite of taking responsibility for our planet.

Thus serves my point. Do you really think any of us here are living in any better conditions? Where in your finances do you have the time, money or ability to build a temple for Jedi?

I am married and have two kids. We live off of my husbands ONLY Income and barely have enough to keep this house from falling over our heads (Literally - The repair costs are crushing) My husband is currently on the teetertoter between keeping a job and losing it and I am saving dollars and pennys just so my daughters can go to dance class next year. And its now been 15 years of "I will see my family across the country....next year." because we cannot afford $4000 to travel.

This is just barely touching the ice burg to the problem of Jedi Temples.

Trisskar wrote:

Heut wrote: though i understand that it gets annoying. it is not fair and nice to start taking others not serious anymore. the idea to put up some site with links to the old discussions is nice, but in the end new people have to think their own thought and talk about it again.

Absolutely But it is kind of give or take thing here....I don't think anyone here has disrespected the Idea and thought presented by Jeffery. In fact some even went the extra mile to put up their dream (im still looking for my file) Take the good and ignore the assumed "Bad"

if you dont have anything helpful to contribute, then just dont.

Correct....but criticizing people for being "Hilarious" is no better There are reason....stick to your game. Let others do theirs.

mh to me a jedi are kind of monks. the first thing in the IP is about the adventure of the hero, someone who gives his life for the bigger.

Again a matter of interpretation. You have no idea what I gave up to be where I am....I have to live with that bitter pill. In fact I just got reminded of it just a moment ago. (Mom called...) Im not about to repeat that adventure nor am I the only one who has a story of pain and loss for the Journey.

haha i m living of 450€ a month. just think about that and calculate. i mean, for real, all food, clothes, fun time. i can save 50-100 in a month if i try hard. and by the way, flying that distance for a weekend is the absolute opposite of taking responsibility for our planet.

Thus serves my point. Do you really think any of us here are living in any better conditions? Where in your finances do you have the time, money or ability to build a temple for Jedi?

I am married and have two kids. We live off of my husbands ONLY Income and barely have enough to keep this house from falling over our heads (Literally - The repair costs are crushing) My husband is currently on the teetertoter between keeping a job and losing it and I am saving dollars and pennys just so my daughters can go to dance class next year. And its now been 15 years of "I will see my family across the country....next year." because we cannot afford $4000 to travel.

This is just barely touching the ice burg to the problem of Jedi Temples.

The possible not absolute problems friend ... smiley face

carlos.martinez3 wrote: The possible not absolute problems friend ... smiley face

Sure You all are welcome to come stay in my Spider Shed I might one day get the funds to turn it into a studio.....One day.


white/glowy house in the back corner

Well still digging :laugh: But here is where i am compiling. Feel free to PM me if you find one's im missing! Currently on Open Discussions page 24 https://docs.google.com/document/d/109mp8rVNhCiorE4it2eaqBprH3CnPofBnxtDVegZF44/edit

Trisskar wrote:

carlos.martinez3 wrote: The possible not absolute problems friend ... smiley face

Sure You all are welcome to come stay in my Spider Shed I might one day get the funds to turn it into a studio.....One day.

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white/glowy house in the back corner

Those sunflower's are gorgeous!!!!
if u get a chance ide love to hear from you
https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/sermons/2331-carlos

carlos.martinez3 wrote: Those sunflower's are gorgeous!!!!
if u get a chance ide love to hear from you
https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/sermons/2331-carlos

Well....Thank you!! I'll tell you their story in the link provided Dont think i can post pictures in that area though so ill post the pics in my journal for you to see

If you are going to label me as the new kid with lofty ideas then go ahead and do that and move on. I for one am in total shock that this has been around for more than a decade and no real, visible attempt has been made at the creation of a Temple.

I am fully aware that there are complications and we would face many hardships but do we not have the goal of making this Order fully realized in the world? I see no better way of doing that then constructing/buying some place we can call our Temple. It does not have to be some grand place like you see in the movies or my profile cover image. It could start as some land or small building located as near to as many current Jedi as possible that requires little upkeep and financing.

If the leadership of this order is looking for motivation other than simply having a Temple for the Temple of the Jedi Order (which should be enough) then consider the growth this order would experience if we had a place people could go and actually see the Order. People disconnect with our reality because, other than donations, this Order is a website. A forum. While I recognize that has served the Order well I think it is beyond time for that next step to be made. That next step is some type of crowdfunding to purchase whatever we are able to in the most convenient location possible. I think if we put all of our effort and as much money as we can afford to into this endeavor that it is well within our reach.

I have spoken to another member, an Initiate, that believes as I do on this matter. They told me of something I fear may be the case. Namely: Keyboard Jedi. That many members of this Order might be here simply because it requires no real action. To account for this, the IP requires a lot of time be dedicated before one can achieve a higher rank than "member" (and even that has a waiting period). While this is the only way to account for this issue as things are currently set up it still allows for that same issue to remain. You have only shifted the work from physical action to some time management, reviewing, writing, and critical thinking (all of which are important but are simply not enough). Think of how a temple could radically change this. Maybe not at first, but eventually the ranks could be assigned based on real action and the showmanship of Jedi values in the real world. The way Jedi should train, both mentally and physically. This would yield far better Jedi than a website ever can or could.

No great thing starts as such. This Order seems to be crawling. I think it is time for it to get up and try to walk. It will be baby steps at first, and they won't be easy steps but as is the case in life, the best work is hard work.

If anyone would like to contact me directly on this matter please feel free to. If you would like to leave a public reply I also encourage that. However, I ask that you do not give me the same reasons it supposedly can't happen I have already heard today. No great thing is easy. A Jedi of all people should realize this.

lol come to the rainbow jedi gathering. I already made a temple a while back and it's been holding strong and bringing lots of interesting folks.

Do you have any idea the logistical nightmare that this project is, and how incredibly far beyond any of our financial capabilities it is?

For what it's worth Anison,

This Member has established a lovely little temple in central Australia. It has a comfy room for sleeping, another for private contemplation, somewhere to prepare and enjoy delicious meals, and even a spot to conduct a little physical exercise. It has a Garden with herbs and some staples.

It's all round quite lovely actually.

I know that's not what you want, but you can imagine as a humble fellow living in the *deep south*, neither uprooting myself to assist, or sending my resources to a far away land to build some a Temple has little appeal

I do admire your fervour though, and would be keen to see your research on available land and building designs in a location of best fit (I believe there is a user map somewhere that could be a guide)

Anison wrote: If you are going to label me as the new kid with lofty ideas then go ahead and do that and move on. I for one am in total shock that this has been around for more than a decade and no real, visible attempt has been made at the creation of a Temple.

Yeeeeeea......Except that the attempt has been given.....Multiple times. Bet ya can't guess what happened...... Instead of flinging mud at people here why not show your commitment and come to a Gathering? Ill be hosting one in Ohio this year. *holds a hand to ear*

You must remember, Anison, that 10 years is not long in the life of a movement like ours. If we're crawling, it's because our temple is still just a baby who hasn't the strength to stand and take a step quite yet.

Would you reprimand a 3 month old child for not walking?

If you have the wherewithal to go out and plan a physical temple, then by all means, lay out your plans for fundraising (both initial and continued), location proposal and building/logistical schematics. I'm certain the Council would be happy to consider it.

Or maybe having a physical temple is simply not a priority to this community. Not quite yet anyways.
We're still finding ourselves.

So before you make claims about what our temple "needs", spend some time here. Learn what our purpose is. Perhaps complete an IP and apprenticeship. And if you're still passionate about making a temple, and have a workable plan, you'll have a better idea of what would be of service to the community.

Let's imagine for a moment that one of our members won $78 million dollars in the Powerball lottery and donated $10 million to the Temple for construction of a physical Temple. Now what? Read through this thread, and you'll see already how differences pop up about where it should be, how it should be constructed, the architectural design, whether or not it should be self-sufficient.................................... That doesn't even touch the surface of the problems that would be faced. How many would insist that the full $10 million be used as construction-only to make a grand and magnificent structure to show the world we are a real and vital option in the realms of theology and philosophy? How many would say that this idea is ludicrous, and that the Temple should cost no more than 10% leaving the rest as principle. Or cutting the principle in half and using that for salaries--there would have to be people in charge of the day-to-day functioning of the Temple, after all. How many would say that even 10% is far too excessive? And unless there is a large population of members nearby willing to staff it as teachers and instructors on a volunteer basis, they would need to be paid. So now we have paid staff and all of the responsibilities therein. And then who decides what these people are doing? Who are the "students"? How are they selected? Would we not then have a split between Temple-trained and not-Temple-trained? The questions keep coming like layers of an onion.

To me, it's a wonderful dream to have. I think we should all envision a physical place like this where we can all come together. And maybe someday it will happen. We just aren't ready yet.

Anison wrote: If you are going to label me as the new kid with lofty ideas then go ahead and do that and move on. I for one am in total shock that this has been around for more than a decade and no real, visible attempt has been made at the creation of a Temple.

I am fully aware that there are complications and we would face many hardships but do we not have the goal of making this Order fully realized in the world? I see no better way of doing that then constructing/buying some place we can call our Temple. It does not have to be some grand place like you see in the movies or my profile cover image. It could start as some land or small building located as near to as many current Jedi as possible that requires little upkeep and financing.

If the leadership of this order is looking for motivation other than simply having a Temple for the Temple of the Jedi Order (which should be enough) then consider the growth this order would experience if we had a place people could go and actually see the Order. People disconnect with our reality because, other than donations, this Order is a website. A forum. While I recognize that has served the Order well I think it is beyond time for that next step to be made. That next step is some type of crowdfunding to purchase whatever we are able to in the most convenient location possible. I think if we put all of our effort and as much money as we can afford to into this endeavor that it is well within our reach.

I have spoken to another member, an Initiate, that believes as I do on this matter. They told me of something I fear may be the case. Namely: Keyboard Jedi. That many members of this Order might be here simply because it requires no real action. To account for this, the IP requires a lot of time be dedicated before one can achieve a higher rank than "member" (and even that has a waiting period). While this is the only way to account for this issue as things are currently set up it still allows for that same issue to remain. You have only shifted the work from physical action to some time management, reviewing, writing, and critical thinking (all of which are important but are simply not enough). Think of how a temple could radically change this. Maybe not at first, but eventually the ranks could be assigned based on real action and the showmanship of Jedi values in the real world. The way Jedi should train, both mentally and physically. This would yield far better Jedi than a website ever can or could.

No great thing starts as such. This Order seems to be crawling. I think it is time for it to get up and try to walk. It will be baby steps at first, and they won't be easy steps but as is the case in life, the best work is hard work.

If anyone would like to contact me directly on this matter please feel free to. If you would like to leave a public reply I also encourage that. However, I ask that you do not give me the same reasons it supposedly can't happen I have already heard today. No great thing is easy. A Jedi of all people should realize this.

I am fully aware off the need for some people desperately trying to have a real life Temple , but i dont see how not having a real life Temple is making this Teaching Area less in any once eyes , its a bit weird to demand stuff as you enter an academic learning enviroment that is based online for good reasons , We live wide and far apart and this Online Temple is a wonderfull place to bring us all together , i am not stopping anyone from builiding a phisical Temple , but i don't like the condesending tone of your message. As it disputes our validity as a Jedi community , opinions may differ , and we may even not agree on certain matters , but what we dont do here as Jedi is question the good intend and hard work that many of us put in this Temple , so as far as i am concerned , i will take your worries for what they are ...your worries , again i am not doing this out of disrespect , but i see no need for a phisical Temple as for now , we have Jedi meetings , Jedi meditation circles and Jedi getttogethers via Google and Skype , everything else will or will not grow from this !

As for the Controlling elements , yes we have Armchair Jedi here , yes they know who they are , no they are not my concern nor should they be as i am too busy making my own little Jedi empire , and the fake ones will one day discover their inadequacy and have to take action themselfes , we are not a Kindergarten we are an Academic learning Enviroment , and you Jedi up as you see fit here