Indignation with evil (only for people over age pls)

I was not aware that a Brazilian pedophile was arrested in January this year, he is a youtuber known here speaking of games on your channel, but between a video and another had some urging the practice of pedophilia and storage and sharing pornographic of minors. He was released up bail and now shared another video about it on the internet. I will not go into details here because what he says is grotesque even for an adult.
So I was thinking that leads a person to the point of having an opinion in favor of this practice is an abuse of the most horrific. Frankly I understand that wrong choices can lead to absurdities. However I do not understand how some things happen and everything flows normally in the heads of these criminals. Does the person conditions the mind to think it is standard? Abuse, murder, theft, etc. None of this makes sense to me and really makes me desolate, sad with all this wickedness. :sick:

I feel that indignation is sort of an unhelpful emotion in these situations.

People who create child pornography, or consume it, or share it, have got to the way they are because their brains work differently.. either because that is how they were made, or because experience has made them become that.

When faced with this kind of crime, anger, outrage and indignation are understandable, but I feel that there are much more useful outlets for these emotions.

When a person goes to prison for crimes relating to paedophilia and pornography, that isn't the end. Their feelings and attractions don't suddenly stop. They are still a person.

There is an organisation (I forget in which country, I'm sorry) that was set up by Quakers, but which is now run by others, that provides people imprisoned for crimes relating to paedophilia with their own personal support group when they are released. These people are assigned to this one person and meet with them regularly and provide a sort of buffer for this person to reintegrate. They offer support and understanding so that the person doesn't commit another crime.

We also have to remember that there are many people out there with an attraction towards children, but who have committed no crimes, and want help and support to overcome what they feel. Problem is there is a risk of being reported to the authorities and losing anonymity... the risk of being judged before a crime has been committed (and we know what people are like). We tell people it's wrong, then offer them no help whatsoever.

On a slightly different tack, there are some very good studies out there that show that the brains of people we categorise as psychopaths, light up differently with regards to activity than those of 'normal' people. Their brains really do work differently... and though many do not end up committing any sort of crime, it's not outside the realm of possibility that the brains of those who commit other horrible crimes may also be different (though I don't accept that as an excuse).

I don't know what goes through the minds of people who produce child pornography, or who commit murder... but I understand that we are not all 'made' the same... that all nature is human nature, and we have to deal with that.
Indignation gets in the way of understanding, gets in the way of scientific or sociological interest... we need to keep cool heads if we are to deal with those who don't 'fit within the law' or within our own moral compass.

I can an only will ever speak for my self when I say this... if u break the law and go to jail fine. Hope u learned your lesson. Seems there are many "repeat" offenders in many systems. I'm sure in America I'm pretty sure they are more tolerated than in other parts of the world that practice a much stricter quicker version of what America has. I don't defend other people and their actions. Never have never will, we are free to make our own choices. These obviously are for a lot very emotional. Rightfully so. There are famine and pestilence always present. To me.... my own practice. . . My Jedi ism allows me to make the connections... and choose to give the opposite. When I see things like this I find a place where I can plant hope. First locally, wife son parents.... then around me...friends Co workers..ect. My choices are a big difference in a lot of my personal life. I choose to see these things and give, plant, and re grow rather than focus on the sad and fear and hate. Thank u for posting this, I have personally gained from it. I encourage others to do the same. " where there is... hatred, injury, doubt, despair, darkness, sadness,we can bring love, pardon, faith, hope, light, and joy. We're Jedi. Things like this help me to find the hate and the loss and give direction to the Jedi ism I so do enjoy. Thank you for the opportunity to practice what we preach! May the Force be with you, still brother Bruno!

if u break the law and go to jail fine. Hope u learned your lesson.

This is what I was I was talking about above really... it's not enough to just send someone to jail for punishment... the support both before and after needs to exist. And while America might be more 'tolerant' (more tolerant doesn't mean necessarily tolerant), there is always still room for improvement I think.

I choose to see these things and give, plant, and re grow rather than focus on the sad and fear and hate.

This is the important bit

Edan wrote: Problem is there is a risk of being reported to the authorities and losing anonymity... the risk of being judged before a crime has been committed (and we know what people are like). We tell people it's wrong, then offer them no help whatsoever.

People tend to hear an idea like this and think that it's "apologizing" for child abusers.

My interest isn't in demonizing pedophiles, my interest is protecting children. And if protecting children means I have to confront things that make me uncomfortable, like the idea of a person who is attracted to children, so be it. If being intolerant of those people results in more children being hurt, then it's time to drop that intolerance and do what we have to do to, literally, save the children.

Edan wrote:

if u break the law and go to jail fine. Hope u learned your lesson.

This is what I was I was talking about above really... it's not enough to just send someone to jail for punishment... the support both before and after needs to exist. And while America might be more 'tolerant' (more tolerant doesn't mean necessarily tolerant), there is always still room for improvement I think.

I choose to see these things and give, plant, and re grow rather than focus on the sad and fear and hate.

This is the important bit

I have to agree with you 100% friend. If it wasn't for books... ide never known nothing. The reading programs they have in Jail and prisons is so beneficial, in so many ways..... hmm..... dam dean u r my muse today! BRB...

https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/Offline-activities/115891-like-lightening#257028

Parnerium wrote:

Edan wrote: Problem is there is a risk of being reported to the authorities and losing anonymity... the risk of being judged before a crime has been committed (and we know what people are like). We tell people it's wrong, then offer them no help whatsoever.

People tend to hear an idea like this and think that it's "apologizing" for child abusers.

My interest isn't in demonizing pedophiles, my interest is protecting children. And if protecting children means I have to confront things that make me uncomfortable, like the idea of a person who is attracted to children, so be it. If being intolerant of those people results in more children being hurt, then it's time to drop that intolerance and do what we have to do to, literally, save the children.

I know that is the way that it can be seen... but thought crime isn't (yet) crime... thinking about stealing something or murdering someone doesn't land someone in prison, and if you had those thoughts obsessively you could get help from a therapist. But those who have attractions to children usually can't find that same support, even though that support could prevent crime. It seems mad to me to close our eyes to people who really don't want to break the law, even if what they feel crosses the 'moral outrage' threshold.

Edan wrote: I feel that indignation is sort of an unhelpful emotion in these situations.

People who create child pornography, or consume it, or share it, have got to the way they are because their brains work differently.. either because that is how they were made, or because experience has made them become that.

When a person goes to prison for crimes relating to paedophilia and pornography, that isn't the end. Their feelings and attractions don't suddenly stop. They are still a person.

We also have to remember that there are many people out there with an attraction towards children, but who have committed no crimes, and want help and support to overcome what they feel. Problem is there is a risk of being reported to the authorities and losing anonymity... the risk of being judged before a crime has been committed (and we know what people are like). We tell people it's wrong, then offer them no help whatsoever.

I don't know what goes through the minds of people who produce child pornography, or who commit murder... but I understand that we are not all 'made' the same... that all nature is human nature, and we have to deal with that.
Indignation gets in the way of understanding, gets in the way of scientific or sociological interest... we need to keep cool heads if we are to deal with those who don't 'fit within the law' or within our own moral compass.

I already "thanked" you for this post but wanted to emphasize that. Thank you for making this post. It is important to remember these things when we think about such terrible crimes. Prevention and treatment go a lot further toward correcting these problems than punishment does. I expect drug addicts who get arrested to receive treatment so why shouldn't pedophiles?

No amount of brain abnormality can excuse such crimes, but it can help to explain the reason for them. Knowing why someone does something is very important and can actually help in the healing process for victims. I don't know that I really want to understand pedophiles but I think someone should try to. Treating people with such a condition sounds preferable to simply throwing them in jail. Obviously they should still be punished if they actually commit a crime, but there should be more to it than just shutting them away.

Edan wrote: I don't know what goes through the minds of people who produce child pornography, or who commit murder... but I understand that we are not all 'made' the same... that all nature is human nature, and we have to deal with that.
Indignation gets in the way of understanding, gets in the way of scientific or sociological interest... we need to keep cool heads if we are to deal with those who don't 'fit within the law' or within our own moral compass.

I agree with you. My outrage is not just this guy, but that's something recurrent in society and we're not sure how to fix it. It outrage over the situation than the person. For example, this man is free, no one can determine what leads him to do that sort of thing. When they had arrested, the judge should not have stipulated bail, but examined the situation and forward it to the treatment, I say this because people here are intolerant of this type of crime, if he set foot on the street or go to prison he is a dead man.
Then I start to realize that one problem leads to another and this seems to have no end, a pedophile just making other people get angry and this generates violence, creating killers that will kill this guy and in my view it seems that evil has no end, is one cycle. So I like to think that the struggle of the people is not armed, not with violence, but through peace and understanding